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• My (late) idea
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  Make your own oxygen.
  
  1. Take down the lights (first three while one is on then turn one on that is down (just using one of the light bulbs) while taking down the fourth).
  2. Take the water bottle off the cooler.
  3. Strip the wires
  4. Start some electrolysis by putting the wires in the water and connecting them to the batteries.
  5. Use inverted paper cups to capture the oxygen and hydrogen (you can cut off the top of the water bottle if you have to). Vent the hydrogen through the vent with the hose.
  6. If you can somehow turn the compressor from the cooling unit on the water cooler, then empty the cooling fluid and use it to compress the trapped oxygen into the fire extinguisher tank (after discharging it through the ceiling vent).
  7. Rig a cannula with the fire extinguisher hose and some of the cooling system tubing from the water cooler
  
  Hopefully you generate enough oxygen to breathe by the time the room runs out of viable oxygen.

  Posted by neverbeaten on May 10, 2006 at 15:33:57 Pacific Time

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  I know this is way too late, but here is what I would do:
  
  1. cut the ends off the hose and stuff it up the hole.
  2. attach the watercooler pump to it and plug in.

  Posted by Ian12 on May 03, 2006 at 00:18:35 Pacific Time

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  Just found this but here goes. I am assuming flat cups not cones and would first make 2 one way flapper type valves using the black tape so that air flows one way in upon suction but is foced out in a different direction. first connecting two cups open ends together with tape so that air flows one way on suction and on compression stopped by flap of tape. adding a third cup with flap valve to the side of these two to allow air to be expelled from the chamber of the cups. Following me? now that I have valves I will make a pump out of the water cooler bottle assuming its plastic, 10 gallon and at least half full. I will cut it in half and take the top portion with the small opening and cut it to slip inside the bottom that is half filled with water. when you lower it into the water air comes out the small hole now and is sucked in when you raise it. connect a small piece of hose to the vent and install a 1 way valve there to expell CO2 soaked air out the vent. run hose from the other end of that valve close to the pump and attach it to the other valve then more hose to the small opening to the water bottle air pump. Now upon raising the water bottle air is sucked in to the pump with all valves closed form the suction pressure. when lowering it both valves open fresh air is forced into the vault and CO2 soaked air is expelled through the vent. to make things even more efficient I would take the yard stick and toolbox to make a fulcrum, attach one end to top of pump and other end would be a handle. Worse case scenario I could bring two gallon of fresh air into the vault every six seconds. 10 a minute/600 gallons an hour. this would allow me to not have to run it constantly and certainly save my life.

  Posted by badlandsorv on April 30, 2006 at 09:04:42 Pacific Time

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  what would you drink? where is the fresh air coming from, since your expelling the CO2 from the same small vent you are taking "fresh" air from?

  Posted by VinnyF on May 02, 2006 at 08:38:16 Pacific Time

• What kind of battery?
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  What type of battery is used for the emergency lights? Also, how many of them are there?

  Posted by sschultz on April 18, 2006 at 09:37:55 Pacific Time

• Water In the Cooler
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  I know that this is late and might be stupid but you never want to assume something. Is there water in the Water cooler?

  Posted by JerdKing on April 17, 2006 at 05:06:59 Pacific Time

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  I just have to ask: are the paper cups cones, or are they flat bottomed? It's been bugging me :) Thanks
  

  Posted by VinnyF on March 01, 2006 at 07:03:15 Pacific Time

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  never mind :)

  Posted by VinnyF on March 03, 2006 at 04:28:44 Pacific Time

• Attach garden hose to ceiling?
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  What if the garden hose were attached to the ventilation hose in the ceiling, and you make kind of an oxygen mask out of the paper cups and electrical tape.
  
  Breathe in through the hose then breathe out into the room?

  Posted by DaveVonNatick on February 21, 2006 at 15:08:21 Pacific Time

• Attach garden hose to ceiling?
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  Please, put your idea together and submit.

  Posted by VinnyF on February 21, 2006 at 19:23:21 Pacific Time

• Alternative Submission Method
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  Is there a separate mailing address for MAKE Shift submissions, or is it strictly an email submission process? I'm just thinking about those subscribers to the magazine who may not have access to the internet and/or the equipment to scan/create email attachments for their submissions. Thank you in advance for your assistance with this question.

  Posted by WTG141 on February 21, 2006 at 08:34:24 Pacific Time

• what type of extinguisher.....?????
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  CO2, Baking Soda....water?////

  Posted by sonerik on February 20, 2006 at 09:14:20 Pacific Time

• what type of extinguisher.....?????
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  co2, as per print article

  Posted by VinnyF on February 20, 2006 at 10:55:33 Pacific Time

• fire extinguisher size?
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  What is the size of the CO2 fire extinguisher? 5lbs, 10lbs, 15?
  Thanks
  

  Posted by VinnyF on February 19, 2006 at 11:40:59 Pacific Time

• fire extinguisher size?
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  what type of extinguisher is a better question don you think?.
  

  Posted by sonerik on February 20, 2006 at 09:12:59 Pacific Time

• fire extinguisher size?
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  Small ... assume 5 lbs.

  Posted by william.lidwell on February 20, 2006 at 11:34:50 Pacific Time

• fire extinguisher size?
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  Thanks!

  Posted by VinnyF on February 21, 2006 at 04:30:24 Pacific Time

• fire extinguisher size?
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  it states CO2 in the print article - so no, I don't think that's a better question

  Posted by VinnyF on February 20, 2006 at 10:54:53 Pacific Time

• 3/4" tube
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  Where does this ventilation tube lead? How long is it?

  Posted by swingboy3 on February 19, 2006 at 09:20:27 Pacific Time

• 3/4" tube
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  It's a ventilation tube. Where do you think it would lead?

  Posted by WTG141 on February 20, 2006 at 07:07:22 Pacific Time

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  I think he means if it goes to a central vent system or an adjacent room or something - a good question I think.

  Posted by VinnyF on February 20, 2006 at 10:57:13 Pacific Time

• 3/4" tube
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  I feel that when considering our MAKE Shift solution, we should not go so far as to attempt to extract every possible detail from the author or support staff. Try to think about it this way. Unless the person getting in the vault assisted with it's design, he knows just as much as we already do - and he does not have the luxury of asking the designers of the system questions. Remember, he can't exactly call for help, so why should we?

  Posted by WTG141 on February 20, 2006 at 14:44:03 Pacific Time

• 3/4" tube
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  MMMM, let's see....<quote>You and Woody have been asked to evaluate a new bank vault</quote>
  if I was evaluating a vault, and saw a vent in the ceiling, I would ask where it leads. Call me crazy, or maybe it's my navy security training, but it's a valid question.

  Posted by VinnyF on February 21, 2006 at 04:33:40 Pacific Time

• 3/4" tube
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  Woody's already in the vault. Who is he going to ask?

  Posted by WTG141 on February 21, 2006 at 08:07:34 Pacific Time

• 3/4" tube
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  Woody? I guess you can read it that way. So are we to assume "we" are acting as Woody? If so, I'd like to assume that Woody aksed where where the tube leads, and it's dimensions, during his evaluation of the vault. But of course, that's up to him and Mr. Lidwell.

  Posted by VinnyF on February 21, 2006 at 08:53:26 Pacific Time

• 3/4" tube
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  You are going into what Woody would/should know about the construction of the vault. Do you want a blueprint?
  We are probably making a big deal out of nothing. I am sure that we can all agree that up to the point of entering the vault that no one, except the designers and the construction crew know anything about the vent except that it it is 3/4", and that that vent leads to somewhere outside the confines of the vault. Now generally, how far should we all go to the pursuit of gaining specifics about what we is provided by the challenge? What shape is the vent? What type of water do we have? Of what design are the toole we have? Is the steel cable galvanized? Is the steel cable sheathed in something? How long is the steel cable? What is the tool box made of? Is the tool box weather proof? What are the exact dimentions of the vault? Posters could go on and on looking for specifics that are not available to others. The authors of this challange have provided us with all the information anyone needs to come up with a solution. Perhaps all of us can incorporate our questions about specifics within our solutions, and then we can have a fair and equal contest.

  Posted by WTG141 on February 21, 2006 at 12:10:35 Pacific Time

• 3/4" tube
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  zoiks!

  Posted by VinnyF on February 21, 2006 at 19:22:30 Pacific Time

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  Sorry. Woody is not in the vault. The other person is. This should be done in the first person :)

  Posted by WTG141 on February 22, 2006 at 18:50:57 Pacific Time

• CO2 concentration?
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  I'd hate to ask so early, but is there any hint to which CO2 percentage to use for limits? I've been bouncing back-and-forth between .5%, 1.5%, 3%, and 4% based on OSHA PEL's and IDHL's.
  
  Thanks

  Posted by VinnyF on February 16, 2006 at 11:20:12 Pacific Time

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  Never Mind my question - I'll just go with my gut. It's more fun that way :)

  Posted by VinnyF on February 17, 2006 at 06:35:12 Pacific Time

• Simple Welding and Woodworking Equipment!?!?!?!
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  Seriously now....how simple is this equipment? What type of welding equipment do we have at our disposal? And are we talking saws and mallets, or are we talking jigsaws and framing hammers and stuff? I guess someone decided that it would be nice to throw in a few extras... not that they're necessary.

  Posted by WTG141 on February 14, 2006 at 19:31:06 Pacific Time

• Simple Welding and Woodworking Equipment!?!?!?!
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  Oh, I see that the Welding and Woodworking Equipment has been removed. Very nice :)

  Posted by WTG141 on February 15, 2006 at 07:35:32 Pacific Time

• You've got it all wrong...
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  The stated goal is
  to stay alive
  until the safe automatically opens in 48 hours - not to "break out."

  Posted by Scott98390 on February 11, 2006 at 14:51:23 Pacific Time

• You've got it all wrong...
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  Good point! I've updated the info we have posted for this article online, and we'll probably put more of the challenge on this page as well.
  
  Thanks,
  terrie

  Posted by terrie on February 13, 2006 at 12:38:47 Pacific Time

• You've got it all wrong...
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  Dude - give him some time to actually put out the info! There may be some corrections/additions not printed in the issue. It is possible that there is a second option for submissions- busting out vice being cooped up for two days. Let's just see what happens.

  Posted by VinnyF on February 12, 2006 at 18:42:19 Pacific Time

• You've got it all wrong...
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  Don't laugh, but I can't seem to find or view the original thread related to this article. I do not know what the first person said about the article. Any help would be appreciated.

  Posted by WTG141 on February 14, 2006 at 12:29:27 Pacific Time

• You've got it all wrong...
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  Oh yes...we've fixed the problem and now this thread is completely out of context!
  
  Originally, the description for this article was "Can you break out of a vault before you run out of air?"
  
  It not more accurately reflects the actual challenge, "Can you stay alive until the bank vault unlocks?"
  
  -t

  Posted by terrie on February 14, 2006 at 13:51:01 Pacific Time

• You've got it all wrong...
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  But terry; only this web page lists the welding and wood working equipment. The digital edition as well as the print edition make no mention of either one.
  
  If we've got a big ol' tank of oxygen sitting in there (oxy-acytelene welding setup), the survival challenge becomes kinda trivial...

  Posted by kiteship on February 14, 2006 at 21:08:33 Pacific Time

• You've got it all wrong...
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  I am not sure how "Simple welding and woodworking equipment" got on the list, but it was not submitted that way. The list as presented in the print issue (sans this equipment) is the corrct one. Sorry for any confusion. Terrie, please delete the last bullet item from the online version. Thanks.

  Posted by william.lidwell on February 15, 2006 at 06:10:20 Pacific Time

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  It's fixed up -- sorry folks. I'll follow up on this side to figure out why the error happened.

  Posted by terrie on February 15, 2006 at 06:23:00 Pacific Time