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• suburban size
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  Is the suburban 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton? any other details would help too.
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  Posted by VinnyF on June 22, 2006 at 05:27:26 Pacific Time

• Dave
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  There are two arguments for (or against) saving Dave: the ethical and the practical. The ethical argument could be fun, but would be hard to settle objectively. What's interesting, I think, is the strength of the practical argument for rescuing even the most miserable Dave.
  
  Collecting Dave is going to cost you stuff you might otherwise gather for the next few days, but I find it hard to think of anything more useful than a human being. Even a pretty un-handy person is an amazingly useful multi-purpose tool. Dave can gather firewood, clear ground, help make shelter. If nothing else, Dave can help find out if these things are OK to eat.
  
  It's certainly possible to set up a problem where some highly specific threat needs a equally specific solution (the room is filling with poison, getting Dave means you dont get the andidote, and everyone dies) but that basically reinforces the general purpose nature of our species. As has often been said, we're not the fastest, strongest, fiercest animal, but we're hella adaptable.

  Posted by grahamsw on June 18, 2006 at 07:47:26 Pacific Time

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  I guess you could just ask yourself "What Would MacGyver Do?" ;)

  Posted by VinnyF on June 19, 2006 at 12:22:39 Pacific Time

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  I think I saw a bumper sticker like that...

  Posted by WTG141 on June 27, 2006 at 05:48:20 Pacific Time

• Dave
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  There are two arguments for (or against) saving Dave: the ethical and the practical. The ethical argument could be fun, but would be hard to settle objectively. What's interesting, I think, is the strength of the practical argument for rescuing even the most miserable Dave.
  
  Collecting Dave is going to cost you stuff you might otherwise gather for the next few days, but I find it hard to think of anything more useful than a human being. Even a pretty un-handy person is an amazingly useful multi-purpose tool. Dave can gather firewood, clear ground, help make shelter. If nothing else, Dave can help find out if these things are OK to eat.
  
  It's certainly possible to set up a problem where some highly specific threat needs a equally specific solution (the room is filling with poison, getting Dave means you dont get the andidote, and everyone dies) but that basically reinforces the general purpose nature of our species. As has often been said, we're not the fastest, strongest, fiercest animal, but we're hella adaptable.

  Posted by grahamsw on June 18, 2006 at 07:47:23 Pacific Time

• ideas
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  Just kicking around some ideas. I'm not asking for clairification, just thinking out loud.
  
  Is there room to bring both cars half-way out of the water?
  
  Does the house have waterbeds that could be emptied and used as flotation device(s)? Maybe not enough time for this.
  
  Could a car be parked on the roof of the house?
  
  Should an attempt be made to "ventilate" the rockslide creating the dam?
  
  Is there time to make a boat or raft? Mabye there is time enough to just gather materials and construct it on the high ground later?
  
  Are the cars really needed? It would be taking up valuble high-ground survival space. The job is to survive for a week, not be able to drive out afterwards.
  
  At least the gas from the left-behind car can be removed and used later for a signal fire or be put in the other car's tank to run the heater at night.
  
  I would lean toward the vehicle that can more practically hold 5 people. However, a "full tank" is probably considerably larger on the Suburban. I have no idea which vehicle could run it's heater longer.
  
  No question, of course an attempt to rescue Dave the neighbor should be made.
  
  As for signaling, perhaps something floating on the newly made lake will catch searcher's attention once it's noticed that it's formed. Semi-inflated trashbags tied together?
  
  Could the Suburban pull down part of the house to make floating debris?
  
  There's probably some food in the house, that should be collected, and when someone is sent to Dave's place, they should check his pantry & fridge.
  
  Outerwear and bedding should be collected from the house.
  
  Could you dive down into the house and recover more stuff once it was flooded?
  
  Remove the tires from the discarded vehicle for when a search & rescue plane eventually flies over, then burn the tires with some gasoline to make a smokey fire?
  
  If one of the mirrors is removed from the house before it is lost, it will make a very bright signaling device to a passing aircraft - if the sun is out. A car's side-view mirror will work too.

  Posted by backtalker on May 17, 2006 at 18:36:20 Pacific Time

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  There's more info you can assume from teh photo in the print article.
  
  Speaking of which - I didn't see the "make graffiti" in the photo this time around. Am I blind or is it really not there?

  Posted by VinnyF on May 22, 2006 at 08:55:14 Pacific Time

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  Heh, I thought that photo was of the brother, just before he took off with all the useful camping equiptment!
  
  I haven't spotted the "make" grafitti either, many parts of the photo are soft focus.

  Posted by backtalker on May 23, 2006 at 12:39:18 Pacific Time

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  He just had to go camping, didn't he :)

  Posted by VinnyF on May 24, 2006 at 12:40:57 Pacific Time