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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://makezine.com/2012/10/02/brazilian-3d-printer-company-weighs-in-on-the-makerbot-controversy/#comment-787092</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Nov 2012 18:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi. i am bob]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. i am bob</p>
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		<title>By: The Cat's Out of the Bag</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Cat's Out of the Bag]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 19:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t be too concerned about anything that any particular company does with this technology. Here&#039;s an excellent analysis of where things are headed by someone who ought to know (Makerbot and RepRap both get a mention, but I can&#039;t wait until we can 3-D print using digital materials; that&#039;s when things will REALLY get interesting): http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/138154/neil-gershenfeld/how-to-make-almost-anything]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be too concerned about anything that any particular company does with this technology. Here&#8217;s an excellent analysis of where things are headed by someone who ought to know (Makerbot and RepRap both get a mention, but I can&#8217;t wait until we can 3-D print using digital materials; that&#8217;s when things will REALLY get interesting): <a href="http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/138154/neil-gershenfeld/how-to-make-almost-anything" rel="nofollow">http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/138154/neil-gershenfeld/how-to-make-almost-anything</a></p>
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		<title>By: shiner</title>
		<link>http://makezine.com/2012/10/02/brazilian-3d-printer-company-weighs-in-on-the-makerbot-controversy/#comment-764165</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shiner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 15:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t speak for all, but I&#039;m no geek Craig. I grew up on a Harley, sweat grease in the Army motorpool with my dad and I broke my back working 15-18 hour days 6-7 days a week since high school, hell before high school. I&#039;ve built everything from jigs to homes, I&#039;ve laid brick and marble, and eagerly learned anything from anyone willing to teach. I have never once took credit for the work, designs or ideas of any of those sources. I now design and build tools for my and other trades. 

I don&#039;t think having the capacity for creative and complex thought and the desire to express those thoughts via a device or design makes one a geek. (originally defined as a socially inept, or unfashionable person. I know it also has positive connotations, however the context and timber of your post leads me to surmise that was not your intent.)

Think about it, you join your local community center, &quot;Center A&quot;, and there, along with hundreds of other hard working individuals, even families, you help devise an inexpensive tool for completing a certain task that would otherwise be prohibitively expensive, this tool now doing for pennies on the $ what would have require a million dollar industrial tool prior. Now an individual member or group of members from your community, those with the most $ and granted one of the most advanced versions of the community design, decides to break with the group, taking with them much of the group effort incorporated into their own designs, and then proceeds to take as their moniker the groups name calling themselves &quot;CenterA-Tech&quot;, going so far as to copyright, trademark and patent what was originally a good faith community effort. CenterA-Tech then takes sole credit for this community project in the media. Threatening, by default,(by their registering the designs and name as they have) litigation against any of their former community if they use anything similar to the moniker they have now taken or include in their own designs what was theirs as community to begin with. 

I would say that would be just cause for at least a little ire on the part of the community that gave birth to many of the ideas incorporated in the tools design.

The whole affair should have been dealt with much better, with more transparency, and a weighty, respectful nod to the community at large.

The designers at MakerBot have every right to profit from their own designs, that is correct. That is the basis of free enterprise. It is not, however, correct under that system to reap profit on the designs of others without clear contractual consent, even if that design is &quot;open source&quot;. That is vulgar, dishonest and anti-competitive. If you contributed to the design, you have every right to feel however you want about their (MakerBot&#039;s) use of YOUR contribution, as it is for any of the others in the MAKER community.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t speak for all, but I&#8217;m no geek Craig. I grew up on a Harley, sweat grease in the Army motorpool with my dad and I broke my back working 15-18 hour days 6-7 days a week since high school, hell before high school. I&#8217;ve built everything from jigs to homes, I&#8217;ve laid brick and marble, and eagerly learned anything from anyone willing to teach. I have never once took credit for the work, designs or ideas of any of those sources. I now design and build tools for my and other trades. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think having the capacity for creative and complex thought and the desire to express those thoughts via a device or design makes one a geek. (originally defined as a socially inept, or unfashionable person. I know it also has positive connotations, however the context and timber of your post leads me to surmise that was not your intent.)</p>
<p>Think about it, you join your local community center, &#8220;Center A&#8221;, and there, along with hundreds of other hard working individuals, even families, you help devise an inexpensive tool for completing a certain task that would otherwise be prohibitively expensive, this tool now doing for pennies on the $ what would have require a million dollar industrial tool prior. Now an individual member or group of members from your community, those with the most $ and granted one of the most advanced versions of the community design, decides to break with the group, taking with them much of the group effort incorporated into their own designs, and then proceeds to take as their moniker the groups name calling themselves &#8220;CenterA-Tech&#8221;, going so far as to copyright, trademark and patent what was originally a good faith community effort. CenterA-Tech then takes sole credit for this community project in the media. Threatening, by default,(by their registering the designs and name as they have) litigation against any of their former community if they use anything similar to the moniker they have now taken or include in their own designs what was theirs as community to begin with. </p>
<p>I would say that would be just cause for at least a little ire on the part of the community that gave birth to many of the ideas incorporated in the tools design.</p>
<p>The whole affair should have been dealt with much better, with more transparency, and a weighty, respectful nod to the community at large.</p>
<p>The designers at MakerBot have every right to profit from their own designs, that is correct. That is the basis of free enterprise. It is not, however, correct under that system to reap profit on the designs of others without clear contractual consent, even if that design is &#8220;open source&#8221;. That is vulgar, dishonest and anti-competitive. If you contributed to the design, you have every right to feel however you want about their (MakerBot&#8217;s) use of YOUR contribution, as it is for any of the others in the MAKER community.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://makezine.com/2012/10/02/brazilian-3d-printer-company-weighs-in-on-the-makerbot-controversy/#comment-763663</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2012 04:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You geeks forget who the market is, makerbot have hit the nail on the head. Developing a  slick &quot;out of the box&quot; machine, ready t o print, for the masses. Imagine if we had to buy computers in pieces and assemble them. Good on makerbot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You geeks forget who the market is, makerbot have hit the nail on the head. Developing a  slick &#8220;out of the box&#8221; machine, ready t o print, for the masses. Imagine if we had to buy computers in pieces and assemble them. Good on makerbot.</p>
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		<title>By: shiner</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shiner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 00:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The above being said, I think the products of MakerBot, along with the parallel products and designs from other makers, are a really cool, and timely addition to the arsenal of any inventor/maker. I would like to get my hands on a 3D printer that is well made, inexpensive, and from company that provides excellent service post sale. Notice I did not say make. Though I design and build many things, I do not have the time to make my own 3D printer, and so am forced, like many others, for now, to look for one to purchase. MakerBot products are appealing to me in a business sense, because they provide a tool I need at a price that&#039;s easier to afford than say those $75,000.00 industrial machines. That being said, I hope that, what ever they do as a company, they continue to provide an inexpensive, user friendly product to the masses while staying respectful of the maker community from which they spawned. Allowing other enterprising makers to develop similar products and devices without all the despicable legal maneuvering we see going on between the Apple and Android folks. In order for us to share our ideas in a respectful and honest manner, we must understand and accept that, for many, this is a business. And as such requires a certain amount of legal protections in order to be competitive in the open market. This can, and should be done without squashing or absconding with the ideas of others. So, the actions of the MakerBot folks, so far, does not, in itself, mean that they intend to plagiarize the ideas and advances of the maker community, or monopolize the industry. Only time will tell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The above being said, I think the products of MakerBot, along with the parallel products and designs from other makers, are a really cool, and timely addition to the arsenal of any inventor/maker. I would like to get my hands on a 3D printer that is well made, inexpensive, and from company that provides excellent service post sale. Notice I did not say make. Though I design and build many things, I do not have the time to make my own 3D printer, and so am forced, like many others, for now, to look for one to purchase. MakerBot products are appealing to me in a business sense, because they provide a tool I need at a price that&#8217;s easier to afford than say those $75,000.00 industrial machines. That being said, I hope that, what ever they do as a company, they continue to provide an inexpensive, user friendly product to the masses while staying respectful of the maker community from which they spawned. Allowing other enterprising makers to develop similar products and devices without all the despicable legal maneuvering we see going on between the Apple and Android folks. In order for us to share our ideas in a respectful and honest manner, we must understand and accept that, for many, this is a business. And as such requires a certain amount of legal protections in order to be competitive in the open market. This can, and should be done without squashing or absconding with the ideas of others. So, the actions of the MakerBot folks, so far, does not, in itself, mean that they intend to plagiarize the ideas and advances of the maker community, or monopolize the industry. Only time will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: shiner</title>
		<link>http://makezine.com/2012/10/02/brazilian-3d-printer-company-weighs-in-on-the-makerbot-controversy/#comment-754951</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shiner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 20:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If MakerBot products contain any components gleaned from the community at large, claiming sole ownership and intellectual rights to said component they should be litigated against. Plagiarizing the ideas of others and then bullying the community, including the source of the ideas is criminal, The reason M.S. is so large now is because they weren&#039;t called to account in the early stages of their monopolization. This is the beginning, now is the time to take seriously the need to safeguard the rights of the open source community, I suggest any one who has contributed any ideas, and who plans on doing so in the future, keep detailed records of their ideas, including emails, forum posts, blog&#039;s, vlog&#039;s, and photos/video plans etc of any design, prototype or abstract idea. This in order for the community at large protect the open source status that they originally intended. Remember an individual or entity cannot patent or trade mark something that they or others have already shared to the world for free. It is also illegal to patent or trade mark the ideas of others claiming them as your own. MakerBot as a company has every right to protect THEIR ORIGINAL IDEAS. But never to steal the designs or ideas of others, using forums or any other social media as a source for ideas they mean to cash in on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If MakerBot products contain any components gleaned from the community at large, claiming sole ownership and intellectual rights to said component they should be litigated against. Plagiarizing the ideas of others and then bullying the community, including the source of the ideas is criminal, The reason M.S. is so large now is because they weren&#8217;t called to account in the early stages of their monopolization. This is the beginning, now is the time to take seriously the need to safeguard the rights of the open source community, I suggest any one who has contributed any ideas, and who plans on doing so in the future, keep detailed records of their ideas, including emails, forum posts, blog&#8217;s, vlog&#8217;s, and photos/video plans etc of any design, prototype or abstract idea. This in order for the community at large protect the open source status that they originally intended. Remember an individual or entity cannot patent or trade mark something that they or others have already shared to the world for free. It is also illegal to patent or trade mark the ideas of others claiming them as your own. MakerBot as a company has every right to protect THEIR ORIGINAL IDEAS. But never to steal the designs or ideas of others, using forums or any other social media as a source for ideas they mean to cash in on.</p>
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		<title>By: Mo</title>
		<link>http://makezine.com/2012/10/02/brazilian-3d-printer-company-weighs-in-on-the-makerbot-controversy/#comment-744838</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:31412  A better RepRap.  Will also work as a general purpose cartiesian robot capable of things beyond 3D printing once completely developed.

3D standalone printing is a dead end - the community needs a factory on their desk of which 3D printing is a component but not the end all.

I was very disappointed to see Bre be a self declared inventor and king of 3D printing in last weeks Time magazine.  This level of arrogance and narcisism will implode on them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:31412" rel="nofollow">http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:31412</a>  A better RepRap.  Will also work as a general purpose cartiesian robot capable of things beyond 3D printing once completely developed.</p>
<p>3D standalone printing is a dead end &#8211; the community needs a factory on their desk of which 3D printing is a component but not the end all.</p>
<p>I was very disappointed to see Bre be a self declared inventor and king of 3D printing in last weeks Time magazine.  This level of arrogance and narcisism will implode on them.</p>
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		<title>By: ○DIY/Tip▶ And we&#8217;re back with our forty-sixth installment of Your &#171; dot dot dob tob tob</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 18:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 18:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brazilian 3D Printer Company Weighs in on the Makerbot Controversy - 3dPrintingMachine.Net</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 09:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] However, this week&#039;s news regarding the launch of a new 3d printer model by Makerbot included the launch of a proprietary software application (more precisely &#8230;blog.makezine.com/&#8230;/brazilian-3d-printer-company-weighs-i&#8230; [...]]]></description>
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