All Makers Have to Start Somewhere, Including Ahmed Mohamed

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All Makers Have to Start Somewhere, Including Ahmed Mohamed

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Not surprisingly, there is blowback to the national story of 14-year-old Ahmed Mohamed’s vindication. As you of course know by now, he was led from his school in handcuffs for bringing a clock project to school that some people thought could have been mistaken for a bomb. Then he became a hero. Then people started attacking his story.

There have been political and racist attacks on Ahmed, which I will not address on this site. But there are two arguments criticizing Ahmed’s project and how it’s been portrayed that I want to discuss.

First, the statement that it was a “hoax,” or “obviously” made to look like a bomb. As the editor of Make:, let me just say that if you want to see a bomb in a homemade electronics project, it’s pretty easy to do. Just look for exposed circuits, maybe a few loose wires. Bomb! Who among our readers has not, at some point, made a device that could be misconstrued for a device that could be used to trigger an explosive? Personally, I’ve brought more than one hack to school. And at no point was I taken away in handcuffs.

In fact, my fourth-grade son has a “tinkering” after-school session once a week. You should see the things they make.

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The second argument is that Ahmed didn’t really “make a clock.” Rather, he just repackaged an off-the-shelf clock radio into a small aluminum case to make it look scary.

This is the most insidious of the arguments. It says that somehow Ahmed’s project is not worthy because it’s not advanced enough.

All Makers have to start somewhere. Many of us begin by disassembling consumer products. Sometimes we re-build them into new projects or enclosures, as Ahmed did. Sometimes, as was the case when I started Making as a kid, the disassembled products don’t survive their vivisection, and they never work again. The educational value of taking things apart is huge, though, whether the components remain functional or not.

And it’s from this point that a Maker can really take off. When you see how a piece of consumer hardware is put together, you start to think to yourself, Why is it that way? How could it be better? What features could I maybe add, improve, or amplify? And then you really start to learn.

We at Make: support kids of all ages, at all stages of Making. We don’t know Ahmed well enough yet to know how advanced his other projects are, the depth of his thinking or knowledge in electronics or engineering, or how long he’s been hacking at old clock radios. What we know is that he’s on the way to becoming a Maker, and we completely support and encourage the sacrifice of a few old clock radios for the education and advancement of any young Maker.

And yes, we at Make: have a vested interest in this story. We have invited Ahmed and his family to Maker Faire New York this weekend, and offered to pay for his travel. We think he deserves to be around other like-minded people, and we also think he can serve as an inspiration to other young builders who may be at different parts of their own growth as Makers.

Note: Comments in this article are closed. Inappropriate and threatening comments are being deleted.

457 thoughts on “All Makers Have to Start Somewhere, Including Ahmed Mohamed

  1. Michael Mosier says:

    I strongly agree with the message here. Thank you for posting this!

  2. countervail says:

    Rafe, I think you’re being kind. From all accounts, this is an intelligent kid who apparently made other electronics projects more sophisticated than “re-building them into new enclosures.” I don’t want to speculate on more insidious reasons of why he did what he did, but it simply doesn’t make any sense to me to take an existing clock and put it in a larger container, with a handle, with no other innovations. It’s like taking a slimline DVD player and putting it into one of those old, big betamax players from 1980. Why would you do that? Why does a smart kid make a traveling, bigger version of an existing product that, I think he himself acknowledged somewhere, could be recognized for something that might seem controversial? He says of bringing it to school “I thought they’d be impressed by it.” and that both teachers he showed it too immediately had concerns about what it was. He keeps claiming he “made” a clock, that he “invented” it, not just put a clock in another enclosure. More damningly, his father, a Sudanese native, has twice run for president of Sudan (I don’t know how serious it was), owns a computer repair company, and acts as president for the local Sufi Muslim center in Irving, Texas. He was also willing to participate in the mock trial by Terry Jones of the Quran. This is not a politically unaware and technologically unsophisticated family. I simply have a hard time swallowing the story that this is just a nerdy kid making some innocent tech project for fun and that teachers and the police took it the wrong way. Maybe it was a prank, maybe something more, but I think the reaction was entirely justified and not anti-Islamic.

    1. Leif Burrow says:

      Hmm.. I bet a lot of people would think a DVD (better yet Blueray) player that looks like a Betamax player is pretty awesome.

      1. Stephen says:

        If anything, you’ve got to be aware of how jaded your knowledge can make you. For example, I can’t remember the last time I was impressed with something that just lit up but check out how many tutorials and articles about LEDs are on this site alone. Different people like different things.

        Doing something because you think it might look cool is all the cause you need in this hobby.

        1. djsurrey says:

          Really, turning on an LED is just like writing a “Hello World” software program. It is a place to start in an new environment or with unfamiliar tools.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Hello,_World!%22_program

          1. Stephen says:

            Similarly Hello World programs haven’t particularly impressed me for a while either.

            I would not be upset if I found out that someone had written one, though. The right response is “good on you for starting” not “why does he get to meet the President instead of me?”

          2. djsurrey says:

            Not sure why you think impressing you is the point. It is not. Actually today most everyone carries a smart phone but few really have any idea how impressive the technology inside is. The fact that the media overstate the ability of Ahmed is not surprising. The media overstates a lot of things to get people to read their stories. As this article stated people with an interest in technology have to start someplace.

          3. Stephen says:

            I don’t think you’re reading my comments fully. You have a good day now.

          4. djsurrey says:

            I had another look for what I missed in your message. The President is promoting STEM education and the event Ahmed was invited to exists for that reason. Ahmed’s story was already viral. Any more comment than that is speculation. Has your story gone viral; does anyone know who you are?

          5. Stephen says:

            You’ve got the wrong end of that stick.

            ‘The right response is “good on you for starting” **not** “why does he get to meet the President instead of me?”‘ I’m saying **not** to be jealous of the guy

            Anyway, sincerely good day to you.

    2. djsurrey says:

      In the absence of the exact answer to your question Why did he do exactly what he did one can only speculate. The original case may have been damaged, he may have wanted to have the internals on display so that he could discuss the parts with his teacher and others (hinged case). I have a very long history of helping 17+ year olds with electronics projects and I don’t see anything unusual in what this 14 year old did.
      By the way the word invention is often used incorrectly so that does not surprise me either.
      You may think the reaction of MIT and others was unwarranted but perhaps some overcompensation is justifiable to undo the harm done to this kid.
      His short response to the police is also not surprising. “It’s a clock”. Intimidated by authority he may well have had trouble finding more words than that. He is a grade nine student.
      I completely disagree that the reaction was justified. If more electronics projects where going on at the school it would have been just a normal thing a person sees everyday rather than something to be afraid of.

      1. emaleroland says:

        The original case may have been damaged? The original case was the clock case. He couldn’t keep it in there and pretend he made it.

        1. Stephen says:

          Wouldn’t this time be better spent working on your own projects, rather than being jealous of a 14 year old who got arrested?

          1. Nur says:

            They are working on their projects…slandering a 14 year old boy.

        2. djsurrey says:

          Has it occurred to you that all you are really criticizing here is his choice of words?
          Sure the original case was the clock case of a clock from the 80’s. It may have been damaged which would give a possible reason to put it in a new case.

      2. countervail says:

        I don’t know that we know the exact reason he chose to make and share this thing. But again, I find it highly suspect, when he claims to have made more sophisticated pieces, and his family has a odd political religious profile, that this was wholly unintentional. He’s a freshman in high school, and while that situation must have been highly stressful, I think he could use his words better than claiming “it’s a clock” over and over.

        1. djsurrey says:

          Perhaps if you had worked with as many young people on electronics projects these things would not be surprising you. Some people essentially loose the ability to speak when intimidated.
          The police thought it was suspicious too but they let him go without charges after investigating. There was actually no evidence he did anything but what he claimed.

          1. countervail says:

            And yet his family and so many on the left globally claim Islamic persecution. Do you truly think the authorities has no reason to get involved?

          2. djsurrey says:

            I think if this school had had a strong pro technology program no one would have been alarmed at such a project or talked about it looking like a bomb.

        2. Kat says:

          What else do you think he should’ve said? What “broader explanation” could he have given, when the truth was it’s a clock, I brought it in to show my teachers.

          1. countervail says:

            He claims to have made something as sophisticated as a bluetooth speaker for a friend, and yet he wants to impress his engineering teacher with a digital clock from the 80s he gutted and put into a carrying case? But it’s “just a clock.” That makes no sense to me.

      3. Melting Granite says:

        He’s only a 9th grade student, and was incapable of explaining himself…… Sure, okay. I must have been the smartest person in history then, to do the things I did at 14, and to talk my way out of many of them….

    3. Kat says:

      Ahmed said that he put this together in about 20 minutes. Is it conceivable he wanted to impress his teacher with how he could break down and reassemble a clock so quickly? And, are you absolutely 100% certain that there is not some kind of modification he did that we cannot determine from the grainy picture we are all looking at? Remember, no one commenting about this has actually seen the clock or touched it and inspected it. It’s not the best quality picture.

  3. Contrarians says:

    Ahh Rafe. The frequent links to Mother Jones from your Twitter feed expose you sadly. Please save your Progressive social experiments for off-work hours as you have a duty to inform objectively. The administrators and police may have overreacted but there is ample evidence that Ahmed is not blameless for his treatment. There is more to this story than simply the clock, as you well know. How very noble of you though, to jeopardize the safety of others children on the altar of your political correctness. Shame on you.

    1. woogychuck says:

      Any reputable links to sources on these other details? Anything that establishes enough of a history to warrant illegally denying a minor contact with his parents?

      1. Contrarians says:

        Yea, I very clearly cited the source: Rafe Needleman’s Twitter feed. He cites Mother Jones articles to make Progressive points. I guess whether you consider Rafe’s Twitter feed “reputable” is a matter for debate. It is, however, his Twitter feed. I also clearly stated the authorities overreacted. I’m not exactly sure why you’re confused, but I’m happy to help in any capacity I am able.

        1. Rafe Needleman says:

          Reference?

        2. woogychuck says:

          Please help with this specifically, “There is more to this story than simply the clock, as you well know.” Did I miss something where Rafe was at MacArthur high? Did Ahmed have some secret jihadist website? Is NASA some government front for Obama to steal your guns and Ahmed was wearing their shirt because he’s part of the Texas NASA sleeper cell?

      2. Contrarians says:

        Look, you want to approach this issue from a Progressive driven agenda as an editor, then fine, but identify yourself. Hiding behind “Maker” is irresponsible. There are enough questions surrounding this incident for Rafe to have known better than to jump the shark.

        1. jeremy7600 says:

          Exactly what shark, (sans details, since you haven’t shared them yet), has been jumped? Pray tell.

  4. Itsmy6 says:

    Unless the definition of Make which at one time was taking nothing and turning it into something changed to taking something and changing the case it came in he didn’t make anything IMO. At first I stood up for Ahmed but as the story progressed to one where it has been proven he actually didn’t build said clock I stopped standing and sat down. With him taking the innards from an old clock and putting it in a metal case it’s starting to lean towards him knowing exactly what he was doing as well as the reaction he would receive.

    1. Mike Koleos says:

      On the contrary, the singular aspect of creation in his MAKE was to take a clock and remove the display from view in its new case. He made a clock into a hoax bomb and then he made a scene in class by plugging it into a socket. But, everybody has to start somewhere. This is just where they start in following Mohammed his namesake. And Make is just making that easier.

      1. Nur says:

        Are you endowing Ahmed with foreknowledge and predictability, in that he can create a device in such a way as to make police and teachers react in a desired, anticipated manner.
        Can you show us where Ahmed the foreknowledge and the ability to predict a specified response by all of the parties involved?
        In order to make the accusation that the boy made a ‘hoax bomb’, you must also show that Ahmed deliberately, with malice and forethought

  5. TonyS says:

    Thank you for responding to that second argument… I’ve seen it pop up everywhere lately (as the comments below will almost certainly show you) and as a maker who started out making things that could have been perceived as dangerous (and some that actually *were* dangerous) I am glad that I didn’t have to deal with what Ahmed had to deal with… and now on top of that, he has half the blogosphere trying to make political hay by crucifying him. It’s really sad to see, but thank you for the sane response.

    1. Stephen says:

      There’s a horrible combination of trying to pull down a 14 year old and just plain jealousy about someone else getting free stuff. It’s pretty shameful.

      1. TonyS says:

        Srsly. And a heaping helping of good old fashioned American racism/xenophobia to go along with it. Blech. Ugly stuff.

    2. Jim Franko says:

      He didn’t “make” the thing that ended up being dangerous. He put the insides of a clock in a case which looked just like a bomb. He did absolutely nothing.

      This is soft bigotry of low expectation in all its splendor. Because the kid is brown and managed to do something most 5 year olds would be capable of he’s lauded as some kind of genius and must be heaped with unjustified praise. If you treated him like anyone else you’d acknowledge he achieved precisely nothing.

  6. jammmmesd says:

    a true craftsman and a genius inventor.
    seriously how dumb do u have to be to bring this to school and then act dumb when u end up in cuffs.
    he knew it was sketchy and was warned by a teacher.
    he admitted he didnt intend to show it around school (because even he knew what was bound to happen)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHk_6Vh4Qeo

    1. djsurrey says:

      Nice clip but actually you have no information on the condition his clock was in when he started. Also, It was just a clock in the original case so how does it get more sinister in the new box?
      With some direction perhaps Ahmed would try to make this;
      (but he did what he could with what he had)
      https://blog.adafruit.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/20150916_0011-600×400.jpg

      Image from https://blog.adafruit.com/2015/09/17/new-guide-build-an-arduino-gps-clock/

      1. Thomas Talbot says:

        Nice clock!

      2. Kat says:

        Great point – none of us, not even you Thomas, know what condition the old clock was in before Ahmed put it in the case. It could’ve been in a heap for all we know, and he reassembled it in his case and got it to work. Why would that not be as plausible an explanation as the fantastical conspiracy theory that so many are trying to weave?

    2. WriterFromTexas says:

      He didn’t intend … but he plugged it in while he was in English class and left it running until it made a noise.

  7. djsurrey says:

    Thank you for this. Clearly educators need more awareness that there are young people who are interested in science and technology and these interests need to be nurtured rather than discouraged. STEM education needs all the encouragement it can get. Enrolment in STEM is down across north america yet clearly it is important that voters have some understanding of science and technology to make intelligent choices.

  8. Leif Burrow says:

    I don’t really know what his motivations were. The various early articles on his story did say he was capable of more complex builds and that he claimed that this was a one-night thing he did to impress his new teachers. I’m not sure that makes any sense to me. It seems a little odd to me that he would bring something to impress his teachers and a lot odd that if he had already completed more complex projects that he would rush this simple one in as opposed to just bringing one of those. I think this seems a bit off.

    But.. since when did everything that everyone does make sense? I’m willing to believe that he could possibly be sincere while noting that I will never ever know. Who can tell what is going on in another person’s head?

    The more interesting thing to me is the response. We all live in a technological world today. Even if making is just not one’s thing I think everyone should have a greater understanding of technology than what would allow them to think that anything with visible circuits must be a bomb. The world around us IS technology, being smarter than that IS an obligation! It’s like learning the native language of the country you reside in.

    I think we need this society to change. People should not be proud to be ignorant. It is time to move beyond this. It should have happened with Limor Fried’s artpiece at MIT or the Mooninite badges in Boston or maybe one of probably 1000s of events that I don’t know about. If positive change starts in the aftermath of Ahmed Mohammed’s clock incident then I for one don’t care what his motivations were or how simplistic his ‘hack’ was. Good for him!

  9. Thomas Talbot says:

    I’m the poster of probably the first video about the construction of the ‘clock’, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEmSwJTqpgY (with >600K views) and appreciate your thoughts on the matter. We’ve now learned that the father is a well known political stuntman who even named his trucking company “twin towers transportation” (mocking 9/11) and it may very well be that this entire incident was engineered – time will tell whether that is true or not.
    In that case, Make magazine was seriously duped. With nearly no time to fact check, Make engaged in lots of PR around this, including advertisements for your clock kits. So, this event in which a youth was detained and then gained notoriety was quite beneficial to your organization.
    Its now my opinion that the youth’s actions were designed to trigger exactly what happened. Since creating a hoax device in Texas is a crime, the school and the police were within reason to detain him, BASED ON HIS ACTIONS AND BEHAVIORS. If they wanted to persecute him, they could have kept him in jail and prosecuted, which they chose not to do.
    I agree that everyone starts somewhere. Lavishing gushing praise on undeserved and unremarkable work does nothing to help an aspiring inventor – it also serves to demoralize young people who have achieved considerable accomplishments through hard work learning and building. A mentor can and should take a young person down the next steps of invention, which requires some honesty. I’d probably praise a 7-8 year old for unboxing a clock but not a high schooler.
    I hope your event is a good one. If this youth comes to your event, teach him well. After meeting him and his family, you will probably have some insights. Please share them.

    1. Jim says:

      I agree with you on this, and I am disappointed that MAKE seems to want to double down and and not even scientifically consider that the father is a policital operative, and that MAYBE they were duped. They also seem to be ignorant to the fact that removing the casing is not making anything but a fire hazard when dealing with high voltage. When plugged in this case would be very dangerous.

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      2. Paranormal Skeptic says:

        Lots of things makers play with is dangerous, and has high voltage. Ever play with a tesla coil?

      3. Jason Wright says:

        Yeah, even if it was a carefully considered ploy by the Dad I doubt Make had a hand in it, and the message that it’s OK to tinker IS a good one. Why does the internet automatically have to turn to hate.

        1. Sam Houston says:

          You might care to notice that the hate came directly out of Left Field, hard and fast, without warrant.

        2. Contrarians says:

          Because if this kid did manipulate the system for personal gain, then rewarding him for it is morally reprehensible. Combine that with the fact that going forward you’re going to have teachers in schools second-guessing “see something, say something”. You have quite literally potentially endangered schoolchildren across the country. If the worst case scenario is true(which I don’t believe, but the full spectrum of possibilities needs to be discussed) and the father is an islamic fundamentalist engaging in jihad, then Maker magazine, and every other one of these elite institutions like MIT and Google have now colluded with jihad. Those are all still possible scenarios, however unlikely. It is an absolute embarrassment that a rush to innocence was made in order to make some misguided Progressive point. I mean, this kid now has a CAIR handler following him around. CAIR, according to experts, has strong ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, and has had several members arrested on terrorist charges. There’s a lot more going on here than Clockmed.

    2. Nur says:

      Mr Talbot.
      Actually, you give the child much more intelligence that people who support his ‘making’ the clock ever could.
      You, and people who believe the motive of Ahmed was political in nature alsho endowed him with the power of foreknowledge.
      For the scheme you accused Ahmed of committing, he, and all of his co conspirators would have had to anticipate the reactions of all the parties involved, and create a device, act in a certain manner to get the reaction that you claim is political in nature.
      Now about your half truth about what a ‘hoax bomb’ is.
      A box with circuit boards and wires is not a hoax bomb can only be defined by what the creator does with it. If Ahmed claimed that it was a bomb, or harmful in any way, and/or if he intentionally made it or placed it in such a way as to ’cause alarm’
      So, can you tell me how you know that Ahmed claimed that his clock was harmful, or he intentionally placed it, or designed it in such a way as to cause alarm please?
      Please source your original material, not someone ‘agreeing’ with you.
      Oh…and whether Ahmed repackaged the clock is irrelevant to my question because your accusation was not in any official report by the police as to why they acted the way they did toward Ahmed.

      1. emaleroland says:

        The baseless claim is that Ahmed made anything. He didn’t. He took it out of one case and put it in another. Why is the 9V battery lead not connected to a 9V battery? The clock didn’t include one. He’s lazy and not an inventory. Read up on his dad, the Sudan and the politics involved.

        1. Nur says:

          Going back to the original question I asked about Mr. Talbot KNOWING about the motives of Ahmed.

          Can Mr. Talbot prove that young Ahmed possessed foreknowledge about the reactions of the police, and the teachers, and deliberately engineered a device to invoke that predicted response from all of the parties involved.

          Can Mr. Talbot prove that young Ahmed created a device that he threatened harm, and/or told someone it was harmful, and/or deliberately designed the device for the explicit purpose to ’cause alarm’.

          If Mr. Talbot can not prove these allegations, then it is obvious that his intention was to slander the boy and his family.

          Not going off into tangents. I want my specific questions answered. Please encourage Mr. Talbot to respond to my comment if you know him

          Thank you.

          1. Thomas Talbot says:

            Hi Nur. These are my opinions. As I stated in the post, time will tell…

          2. Nur says:

            What is a ‘political stuntman’, and what ‘political stunt’ did Ahmed’s father participate in that you have a credible source for, and please post it here. Don’t only post the website, but explain in the dialogue box why your post is relevant to the specific question.

            What behavior did you personally observe that you believe justified handcuffing and detaining Ahmed and refusing him to consult with his parents? (please answer the whole question…especially the part where he was not allowed to consult with his parents) Please do not tangent off into ‘the police don’t have to let his parents see him’. Tell me why the police would not let the child and the parents be together.

            You are still making the positive statement that Ahmed purposefully designed a ‘hoax bomb’ in order to provoke a desired response in order to make a political statement. Please justify that in the context of the law.

            Lets understand that a ‘hoax bomb’ is defined by the creator’s intention. A box full of LEDs, wires, and circuit boards unto itself is not a ‘hoax bomb’, as you are trying hard to imply.

            A hoax bomb is a device in which a person claims will harm another, and/or deliberately designed, and placed in such a way to ’cause alarm’.

            Please tell me how you continue to make this positive statement that Ahmed made a ‘hoax bomb’ without knowing that he told someone it would explode or hurt them, or Ahmed purposefully designed it to cause alarm.

            Please don’t tangent my question…focus directly on Ahmed’s…and ONLY Ahmed’s intention with his clock.

          3. emaleroland says:

            A political stuntman? What is an online raving lunatic more concerned with someone else’s life than their own? Mirror, mirror, on the wall…

          4. Eugen Stefanescu says:

            You sir, deserve a medal! Taking up with this crazy “cat lady” who seems a bit too interested in this case.

            Interesting fact: She replied to all Thomas Talbot’s messages from other topics on Disqus, so she’s either a lunatic or involved in Ahmed’s case in a more personal way.

            Yes Nur – I do believe you are crazy, medically speaking! I do not have any evidence for my claims but you know what?

            …..

            You’ll never know what I wanted to say next and you’ll have to live with it!

          5. Nur says:

            As long as you don’t do what Mr. Thomas Talbot did…maliciously search the internet to find an innocent, unrelated person, create a false persona, and claim that this person conspired with me to make me a crazy cat lady, it is your opinion…and I could give a flying spaghetti monster what you think.

          6. Eugen Stefanescu says:

            Yup! Your diagnosis is now ‘confirmed’.

            Thomas Talbot only reacted to what was all over the media, where this 14-year-old “Einstein” supposedly “invented” a clock (which he did not, as shown in the video) and got arrested for it. Completely false!

            The story has become tiresome, yet interesting from the “islamophobia guilt” it generated among people like YOU “Cat lady Nur” who started defending nothing more than a prankster who got what he deserved.

            Peace!

          7. Nur says:

            Meow baby…:)

          8. Nur says:

            However, Mr. Thomas Talbot had an opinion, and maliciously sought out a random person to justify his opinion, slandered that person, and falsely claimed that that person was Ahmed’s father is where the wrong is.

          9. Contrarians says:

            The facts that the authorities overreacted, and that this entire incident was contrived from the start are not mutually exclusive, my easily manipulated friend.

          10. Andrew Martin De Nicolas says:

            “The facts that the authorities overreacted, and that this entire incident was contrived from the start are not mutually exclusive, my easily manipulated friend.”

            This. A million times.

          11. Contrarians says:

            I wonder if she will apologize when she finds out she’s wrong.

          12. Troy King says:

            One has to wonder thou, the black case with a jumble of wires and an led screen is a very widely used movie trope. Is it really possible he was not aware of this?

          13. Nur says:

            So you are saying that he made a copy of something he saw in a movie, after having foreknowledge that the staff and police would act in a predictable manner to favor his political agenda?

            Should I wear a white suit and speak in tongues and claim to heal people for money. I am watching that on TV right now.

          14. Troy King says:

            No, I don’t think he is like a master media manipulate. He was trying to be cool or something. But I do think its perfectly appropriate for the police to think its some kind of bomb hoax, because what he built is THE cultural symbol for a bomb.

          15. Nur says:

            Whose cultural symbol of a bomb…a Sudanese?

          16. Troy King says:

            film’s.

          17. Troy King says:

            I am curious thou..what is your take on it? Why did he pretend to make a clock?

          18. Nur says:

            All I know is, according to Thomas Talbot, who has been exposed in this forum as a lying sack of crap accused the boy of removing the casing from a clock, and putting it in the pencil box in order to create a ‘hoax bomb’

            Knowing my son, I would imagine that he broke the case in order to fix a broken clock he may have found in the trash, or around the house, and after he fixed it, put it in the pencil box.

            You see, that is what my son has done many times.

            We don’t live in fear of our shadows though. This allows us to think of more possibilities than off the bat someone having bad intentions.

          19. ComplementaryAngle says:

            You should apologize to Mr. Talbot for slandering him.

          20. emaleroland says:

            Your son breaks clocks many times and puts the guts in a pencil box, because you just happen have those lying around everywhere? An intelligent person wouldn’t let him around the damn clocks anymore. Holy time piece, Batman.

          21. Sugarlarry says:

            Give it up. You are way, way too rational.

            There is nothing you can say that will convince these paranoid halfwits of anything. They’ve formed the story of “what’s really going on here” in their pinheads and there is absolutely nothing that can convince them otherwise. Good on you for trying, but it will bare no fruit but frustration.

          22. John Daniels says:

            This is the even crazier tinfoil hat version of Benghazi. These people will jump on anything and blow it out of proportion to try and make some “point” about “Obummer” or “Odumbo” or whatever other stupid pun crosses their simpleton minds.

            I’ve even seen one guy try to connect Ahmed’s father to the crazy pastor who made the video RESPONSIBLE for Benghazi. The crazy just never ends. I say let’s let them get it out of their system and then ignore it all.

          23. bardgal says:

            He didn’t pretend. He made a pencil-case clock. Why don’t you go try to buy one on Amazon – oh wait, you can’t? Because the only one that exists is the one Ahmed MADE? Do you think he used his magic Harry Potter Wand™? You people are sounding insane.

          24. WhateverFreak says:

            So, I take it you don’t program or wire circuits then? Cause that is the most bimbo sounding dipsh*T I’ve ever F*cking heard.

          25. Andrew Martin De Nicolas says:

            I work as a design EE for a living, and sometimes I too wish that the general public didn’t view an exposed circuit board as a suspicious object.

            However from my observations, the authors and community members of makezine seem to have their blinders on with this story, and bewilderingly reject the various actions and circumstances that bring about a reasonable doubt the sincerity of Ahmed’s “device”.

            If you’re up for it, I would encourage you and others to read an excellent article by a fellow EE and tinkerer (see below). Also would be happy to engage in a reasoned discussion about any of the points he makes.

            Hopefully I’m not wasting my time. You think a community of electronics hobbyists would be the place for rational discourse. And please don’t insult by grouping me or other well-spoken commentators with the the group that uses words like “Obummer”.

            http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves/

          26. emaleroland says:

            Are you Sudanese? Are you Muslim?

          27. bardgal says:

            Why does it matter to you?

          28. Charles Martel says:

            Because your picture makes you look fat like one.

          29. Contrarians says:

            No, the culture of the country in which he is living. Which I believe is the appropriate standard that should be applied considering Ahmed was born in this country despite whatever misconceptions you may hold of Muslims. :)

          30. bardgal says:

            “THE cultural symbol of a bomb?” WTF??? HAAAAA!!! Really? is this in the picture next to BOMB SYMBOL in the Oxford English Dictionary? WHERE ARE THE EXPLOSIVES???? Where is the fake C-4? have you never seen the inside of a TV remote??? Or are you just inherently terrified of circuit boards?

          31. Contrarians says:

            Randomly placing caps in your posts to feign incredulity does nothing to lessen the very reasonable perception that the “clock” looks like a bomb. In fact, your rather nonsensical protestations that it doesn’t make you look a buffoon. You’d be far better off focusing on the actions of the police, then a battle you lost before it started.

          32. Ali As says:

            Perhaps Ahmed can build you a remote to change the channel. But don’t hold your breath.

          33. Nur says:

            Why would Ahmed need to build me a remote. I have grandkids for that. In fact, one of them is turning the knob to change the channel now.

          34. bardgal says:

            Nope. Movie props have fake explosives in them for the audience to SEE otherwise it looks like a bunch of computer/electronics parts in a pencil case.

          35. Kat says:

            He can’t prove any of it and just simply without research passes along right wing extremist fear mongering. For example everything that he posted about the “twin towers corporation” as being owned by Ahmed’s father is incorrect. It is also incorrect that the name “twin towers” is some kind of disrespectful reference to 9/11. It’s the name of the freaking executive office buildings where the transportation company is located. There is even a café nearby called “twin towers café”. Oi vey!!

          36. Nur says:

            He needs to write a blog apologizing to Ahmed, and his family for trying to slander them.

          37. Kat says:

            It’s truly amazing to me that someone in his position – he is a research scientist at USC look up Thomas B. Talbot – would play so fast and loose with unsubstantiated accusations. This latest one, passing on the information about the transportation company as if it was fact, was inexcusable.

          38. Nur says:

            We have people writing to the Muhammad family, brining their attention to Mr. Talbot’s actions.

            They can decide what they wish to do about it. This is clearly a case of deliberate slander…to find an innocent unrelated person on the internet, create a persona that implies that that innocent person is an Islamic radical, and then claiming that innocent person is Ahmed’s father.

          39. Kat says:

            I do believe it is possible that the Aldean Mohammed who owns twin towers transportation company is the same Aldean who is the brother of Ahmed’s dad. Haven’t confirmed that 100% though. All the other speculation about the “hoax”, political stunts, etc. is just completely unsubstantiated

            Here is a link to a very nice article about Ahmed’s father and his family and their story. He seems like a model citizen to me.

            And at the very end of the article there’s a video interviewing Ahmed. They also interview one of Ahmed’s friends, who talks about how many things Ahmed knows how to fix and things he has created.
            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3238709/From-banks-Nile-meeting-Obama-father-Ahmed-Mohamed-Muslim-boy-14-handcuffed-homemade-clock-lived-American-dream.html

          40. Contrarians says:

            He’s a publicity hound, not a radical, and you’ve still been duped. How embarrassing for you.

          41. Nur says:

            Where Mr. Thomas Talbot slandered an innocent person, and Ahmed’s family is when Mr. Thomas Talbot maliciously sought out an innocent person because his last name was Muhammad, used this person’s profile without reference to it to claim that he is a political Islamist with an agenda, that he named his cab company ‘Twin Tower’s Transport’ for a sinister intention, and falsely claimed that this person was Ahmed’s father in order to justify his opinion about Ahmed’s intentions..

          42. bardgal says:

            Just for the record, Ahmed’s last name is spelled Mohamed. Not Muhammad. So Talbot can’t even get the spelling of his NAME right.

          43. Kat says:

            Perhaps you can explain how you arrived at that conclusion using evidence, not speculation?

          44. Contrarians says:

            Sure, as soon as you do.

          45. Kat says:

            As soon as I explain how you arrived at your conclusion using evidence, not speculation? I have no explanation.

          46. bardgal says:

            That’s awesome Kat! And that’s from the Daily Mail which is the most right wing rag in Britain. When THEY aren’t jumping on the crazy train, you Anti-Ahmed peeps should really come out of your basements and get some air.

          47. emaleroland says:

            If I were Mr. Talbot, I would file a libel suit against you.

          48. bardgal says:

            Good thing you’re not an attorney who would advise his client to do that.

          49. emaleroland says:

            We? You and the cats?

          50. Kat says:

            Resorting to snide and insulting ad hominem remarks is typically a sign of arguments that are without merit.

          51. DareToPrepare says:

            It’s not “slander” or “libel” when it is a matter of opinion. I have been to court over this once myself, and the judge made it clear that we could post an opinion about someone. You cannot just claim it to be a fact. Wah, wah, wah… “Poor me, I am a muslim, everyone hates us…”. So tired of you all trying to make a media circus out of your religion.

          52. Nur says:

            The part where Mr. Thomas Talbot maliciously sought out, and used an unrelated person’s internet profile, (because his last name was Muhammad) made the claim that because the person stated that he wanted to be the president of Sudan, he was a radical Islamist, because that innocent person owns a cab company called ‘Twin Towers Transportation’ (when the complex that the unrelated, innocent persons business has his offices in is called Twin Towers”) and falsely stated that this unrelated person was Ahmed’s father in order to create a character to justify Mr. Thomas Talbot’s opinion about the sinister motives of the boy is slander.

          53. bardgal says:

            Especially since the info on this “transportation company” is an actual HOA, complete with a residence on Castle St in IRVINE Tx which isn’t a city in TX, and a residence that’s NOT a transportation company. The inhuman MALICE these anti-muslim trolls have is astounding.

          54. ComplementaryAngle says:

            No, he doesn’t need to apologize. The repackaging of the circuit was crap. It’d be hard to package it in such a crappy way without trying.

          55. Nur says:

            Umm…making false accusations about the family of Ahmed Muhammad, to the point of finding an unrelated person on the internet, trumping up an innocent person’s political views to make him seem ‘radical Islamist’, and claiming that this unrelated man is Ahmed’s father to imply that Muhammad had bad intention is slander.

            Perhaps you can get Mr. Talbot to make corrections to what seems a deliberate attempt to slander someone else.

          56. emaleroland says:

            You’re kinda’ freakin’ me out. I picture you jumping up and down in your moomoo scaring the hell out of your 27 cats.
            Mohamed, not Muhammad.

          57. Contrarians says:

            He’s not a radical Islamist, he’s a publicity hound and he bumbled his way into manipulating a bunch of knee-jerk bleeding hearts who seem to viscerally respond any time someone not-white has an issue with the authorities. If you’d like to post me links to read your outrage when the white child was suspended for biting a pop tart into the shape of a gun..then by all means do so.. Until then your selective outrage tells me what I need to know.

          58. Contrarians says:

            He’s not a radical Islamist, he’s a bumbling publicity hound.

          59. Nur says:

            The random, innocent person Mr. Thomas Talbot found on the internet to create a false persona of a radical Islamist, and falsely stated was Ahmed’s father is a ‘bumbling publicity hound’?

            Is this another false accusation about an innocent, unrelated man Mr. Thomas Talbot maliciously sought our, created a false persona, and claimed that this person was Ahmed’s father in order to slander Ahmed and his family?

          60. Sugarlarry says:

            Did you even read the post you’re commenting on?

          61. bardgal says:

            …. for a 14yr old, because you’re the Scout Master to thousands of 14 yr-olds who tinker with electronics, and YOU, of all people, should KNOW! SO, obviously NOT a bomb, and not a scary clock either. So you’re saying it’s OKAY to destroy this family with zero evidence. Good to know.

          62. emaleroland says:

            Not gonna’ happen.

          63. Carl P. Mudgen says:

            Ahmed needs to write a letter of apology to the 6 year-old Chinese kid who assembled the clock originally; he/she’s more of a genius inventor than Ahmed ever will be.

          64. Nur says:

            The issue here isn’t the clock, it is the difference between what happened to the Chinese kid and what happened to Ahmed.

          65. Carl P. Mudgen says:

            Ahmed should have been arrested simply for being a dumb-ass and wasting everyone’s time. The Chinese kid probably went right back to work assembling 10,000 more clocks. Then collected his 14 cent paycheck for the week and left to go to his second job at the pencil case factory. Never once thinking he was the next Thomas A. Edison.

          66. Nur says:

            What concerns me is that people who are claiming that Ahmed deliberately created the device to provoke a response that he could use for political, and personal gain are actually accusing the staff, and the police of the community of Islamophobia, by implying that Ahmed could provoke a predictable response.

          67. Carl P. Mudgen says:

            Carrying a suspicious-looking device into any school will provoke a predictable response; that response is standard protocol and has nothing to do with race. Failing to give straight answers when being questioned about the device will also provoke a predictable response that, once again, has nothing to do with race. That is unless you’re suggesting that folks with non-white skin colors have no way of going to school without being in the possession of suspicious devices and are also incapable of giving straight answers when questioned about them.

          68. Nur says:

            I don’t appreciate this bullshit of people trying to change my comments into racial issues.

            I never mentioned race. Don’t try this shit again.

          69. Carl P. Mudgen says:

            You’re right, not racial. But not Islamophobia, either; Ahmed’s religion didn’t dictate the police or school’s protocols.

          70. Nur says:

            Here is the problem with your comment.
            If you agree that it is true that Ahmed created the device to intentionally provoke a predicted personal and political response, then you have accused the staff of the school and the police of Islamophobia.

          71. emaleroland says:

            You need to write a blog apologizing to Thomas Talbot.

          72. Kat says:

            It does – I’ve seen the video. It doesn’t prove anything about the clock that Ahmed used, if he did simply disassemble a clock. First, this is not the same model of clock in the video that people are claiming he used. Secondly, the clock in the video is in pristine condition. It is quite possible that the one Ahmed allegedly used was not in working order, and perhaps the case was broken. It is just as plausible as all the fantastic conspiracy theories floating around that he put it in the pencil case because the clock case was broken, and repaired the clock it and got it to work. You, and no one else, can say with any certainty what Ahmed actually did, because you have never examined the clock personally.

          73. emaleroland says:

            The cafe has been there 11 years. The transportation company is barely a year old.

          74. Kat says:

            What does that prove?

          75. Nur says:

            These people are not seeming to understand that Thomas Talbot has the right to his opinion about the motives of Ahmed.

            Where Mr. Thomas Talbot slandered an innocent person, and Ahmed’s family is when Mr. Thomas Talbot maliciously sought out an innocent person because his last name was Muhammad, used this person’s profile without reference to it to claim that he is a political Islamist with an agenda, that he named his cab company ‘Twin Tower’s Transport’ for a sinister intention, and falsely claimed that this person was Ahmed’s father in order to justify his opinion about Ahmed’s intentions..

          76. Kat says:

            Nur, I don’t believe that is what Thomas did. I do think it is quite possible that the Aldean Mohamed who is listed as owning Twin Towers Transportation is the same Aldean Mohamed that is Ahmed’s uncle, although no one has proved that 100%. Thomas did not slander an innocent person – I don’t believe that.

            There are a lot of right-wing sites that are posting these accusations that the name “twin towers,” is a mockery of 9/11, and I think Thomas likely just accepted it was true and passed it along without any research. What he, and others, are passing off as truth, which is completely conjecture and speculation, is that there is some nefarious, sinister reason that this Aldean named the transportation company “Twin Towers.” Even a very anti-Muslim site, that I mentioned yesterday, ibloga.blogspot.com, backed off from their original accusations when they realized that “Twin Towers” is the name of executive suites in Irving at by posting this:

            QUALIFICATION: If you enter the address of the Twin Towers Transportation Corporation into Google Maps, you will get a photograph from street level of the location. It appears the “Transportation Corporation” is in one of two buildings of Executive Suites called “Twin Towers”. So they named their company, at least in part, for the buildings in which they are located. Ok. Plausible.

            They discovered, when they entered the transportation company’s address in Google maps, 8585 N Stemmons Fwy Dallas, Texas that the street view clearly shows the name “Twin Towers” on the building. Good for them to make that admission of error. And, there is a cafe with exactly the same name, which further gives credence to that they simply named the company for the building it is located in.

            All of the speculating about motivation, that Ahmed intended this to be a “provocation” and wanted to deliberately scare people with something that looked like a bomb, is not something that can be proven by Thomas’ video. In fact, since the Irving police dropped the hoax bomb charges, that essentially means they had no evidence to charge him with creating a hoax bomb. Nor can anything about Ahmed’s father using this as a “political stunt” be proven by the video. Thomas himself is a scientist and I am sure knows well that correlation is not causation. He actually has been respectful in handling his critics, and he’s had some pretty nasty comments thrown his way, too.

          77. Nur says:

            Mr. Talbot Googled the name of Ahmed’s father, and it came up with this innocent, unrelated person, and you are speculating is related to Ahmed, but there is no proof, created, or exaggerated this innocent person’s profile, and claimed that this innocent unrelated person was Muhammad’s father in order to slander Ahmed and his family.
            It is ok that Talbot speculated that Ahmed was up to no good, and it is fine to have that as an opinion…but when Mr. Talbot used a real person in order to justify his opinion, he slandered.

          78. Kat says:

            Yes, it is certainly speculation that he is related to Aldean. As I said, no one, to my knowledge, as verified this.

          79. Nur says:

            It doesn’t matter if the man Mr. Talbot slandered is related to Ahmed. What matters is, Mr. Talbot started with an opinion he sought to justify by searching the internet to find a random person he could slander, then falsely claim that this random person was Ahmed’s father in order to slander Ahmed and his family.

          80. Contrarians says:

            Do they rent, or own the building? Who owns the building if they rent? Muslims are a rather insular community still as new immigrants, and often do business within their own community, quite understandably, but also extremely pertinent. These are important facts to ascertain before we abandon this particular angle. At the moment it would seem a reach however.

          81. bardgal says:

            Yet, THIS exists,
            https://mycpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/servlet/cpa.app.coa.CoaGetTp?Pg=tpid&Search_Nm=Twin+Towers+Transportation+&Button=search&Search_ID=32055028065
            which is clearly bogus, as there is no IRVINE Texas, and that address is a residence. These people are TRYING to destroy this family, and by extension making everyone who has reached out to him look foolish. What does it feel like to hate to the point you have to INVENT things out of thin air?

          82. Kat says:

            Wow. Just wow. I don’t think any level is too low for some people who are viewing this through the lens of their fear and hatred for Muslims. The vitriol, hatred, and downright scary and violent comments make me feel like I need a shower after wading through a cesspool every time I read them.

          83. Contrarians says:

            I understand that completely. Why do you think it’s relevant or changes any of the other facts of this story? In one thread you’re arguing to focus on Ahmed, the next I’m supposed to focus on some tangent related to one section of a video. I actually kind of get the impression I’d like you Nur, I just have to say you’re operating on supposition as much as anyone you’re arguing with frankly.

          84. Nur says:

            You live in fear, and suspicious for no reason, I live with the assumption that my senses justify my reasoning.

            We cant like each other.

          85. Contrarians says:

            Aww see Nur, now you’re just descending into hate and being a meanie. With little to no knowledge about me at all either. You do see how ridiculous that is right? You’ve created a fictional stereotype in your mind of those with whom you disagree. I think we’ve heard of that phenomena before eh? Yea, it’s exactly what you’ve been saying all day, right? Should I blame your stereotype on fear as well? Although I do find it interesting your verbiage that your senses justify your reasoning. I think if you just reversed the order you do those two things, you’d step out of that narrow hateful place you’re so eagerly building for yourself. Oh, and I forgive you for your hateful words.

          86. Contrarians says:

            Yea, looked over your comment history, yuo’re right, we can’t like each other, you’re either a zealot or mentally ill with some type of obseessive compulsive disorder. Holy fruit loops Batman. You need to increase the meds or take a break from the internet lol. You have like 60k+ comments ahahahah

          87. Nur says:

            So the building has been there for at least 11 years. Can you tell us how many other companies have called themselves ‘Twin Towers (something or other) that have gone through that office complex, and for whatever reason, named their company after the office complex?

          88. bardgal says:

            Actually, the SOS filing states that it’s in IRVINE TX, (not Irving, where they live) which doesn’t exist in TX, (but does in CA), and the address on Castle St is a residence. TROLLS have gone to great lengths to destroy this kid and his family, because racist hatred runs very very deep.

          89. emaleroland says:

            Ahmed made nothing. Nothing at all. Not a damn thing. You got that, Nur? HE MADE NOTHING!

            He took the guts of a clock out of a case and put it in another case. The most effort he put into it was removing the guys and screwing it into the other case. He never assembled anything. He never engineered anything. It’s all nonsense. It’s a fraud. He is a complete fraud.

            Did you even look up his father? He’s an extremist and on a terrorist watch list. I’m sure you have a search engine. I don’t know Mr. Talbot. Never heard of him before today.

            You want the truth, right? Seeing is believing?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=20&v=kHk_6Vh4Qeo

          90. Carl P. Mudgen says:

            He was aware and even admits that he presumed there could be a negative reaction so he tied wires around the handle, “so it wouldn’t look suspicious.” How wrapping wires around the handle actually accomplishes this is anyone’s guess but there you go, right from the horse’s mouth. This was set up by his father from the get-go and as soon as police figured out who was behind it, they cut the kid loose.

          91. emaleroland says:

            Exactly.

          92. emaleroland says:

            You’re the biggest loon I’ve seen on the net in awhile and that’s saying something. He doesn’t owe you any answers. Get a life of your own. Everything isn’t always about what YOU want.

          93. Charles Martel says:

            You’re the biggest loon I’ve seen on the net.

            You’re the biggest loon I’ve seen on the net.

            You’re the biggest loon I’ve seen on the net.

            You morons are something else. What I haven’t yet decided. but this is now an easy decision.

            A community full of good gadget makers but nitwits of human insight. Maker is now gone for me.

            Thanks Mr. Needleman.

          94. Herp says:

            “Can Mr. Talbot prove that young Ahmed possessed foreknowledge about the reactions of the police, and the teachers,”

            No. But the fact is, Ahmed showed the device to his engineering teacher, who then warned him not to carry the device around school or show it to other teachers because it might provoke an undesired reaction. So whether Ahmed was aware of the reaction he would get when he brought the device to school, he was well aware of if when he brought the device to his English class.

            “Can Mr. Talbot prove that young Ahmed created a device that he threatened harm, and/or told someone it was
            harmful, and/or deliberately designed the device for the explicit
            purpose to ’cause alarm’.”

            No. But the fact that the device resembled the uninformed person’s idea of “bomb” makes the teacher’s reaction at least somewhat justified. Also notice that the police did not handle the situation like a bomb threat – if they had, the school would have been evacuated and a bomb squad would have been called in. Instead the just detained Ahmed and questioned him about his device before releasing him.

            “If Mr. Talbot can not prove these allegations, then it is obvious that his intention was to slander the boy and his family.”

            Mr. Talbot is not slandering the boy and his family. If you would look at the facts and not just blindly accept the narrative the media is trumpeting, it’s fairly obvious. Although what Ahmed made is clearly not a bomb if one knows what one is looking at, are teachers supposed to be bomb experts? Again, the police did not handle the incident like a bomb threat but simply detained the boy before releasing him. However, his parents were extremely quick on the trigger of “islamophobia!!!!!”, and began propagating the lie that he built the clock himself. Within a very short time they already had a fundraiser up for him, and there are talks of legal action. (Keep in mind that the boy was released the same day, and that his life is completely back to normal for him – no suspension, no charges, nothing.) It’s rather obvious that since they lied about Ahmed building the clock, and instantly took advantage of the situation for their own personal and political gain, this is not a case of “poor bright kid is punished for being smart”.

            Also, cut it out with “young Ahmed”. Yeah, he’s young, but that doesn’t make him any less of a potential threat. Columbine was perpetrated by “young” people. Stop exploiting his age to further your agenda.

          95. Charles Martel says:

            What the hell does the motive matter. The damn thing looked like a bomb. It is a miracle or mistake the teacher didn’t run like hell and pull the fire alarm evacuating the school. That is exactly the actions which should have occurred when she suspected a bomb. The kid should have been detained to investigate further.

          96. Nur says:

            In order to call something a ‘hoax bomb’ it isn’t enough that to someone, it looks like a bomb.
            The creator must have told someone that it is a bomb or other incendiary, and/or that it will explode or otherwise cause harm, it intentionally be designed and placed in such a way as to ’cause alarm’

            The component you are lacking to call this a hoax bomb is proof of the intention of Ahmed Muhammad.

          97. Jorge says:

            Did you know that Mr Talbot is an arab guy? Are you going to acuse him of islamophobic? LOL

          98. Z24Cav says:

            He says so in his latest video.

          99. Nur says:

            I didn’t accuse Mr. Talbot of being Islamophobic, I showed that he had an opinion, and tried to justify it by finding a random, unrelated person on the internet, creating a false persona using that person’s information, and using that false persona to slander someone else.

        2. WriterFromTexas says:

          emaleroland, I am just trying to figure out what the device was. If there was not battery in it, how was it making a sound?

        3. John Daniels says:

          You clearly didn’t read the article. Didn’t you learn in grade school that you can’t lie your way through a test because you failed to do the required reading? Then you have the audacity to tell us to read up on stuff? sheesh!

      2. Stephen says:

        Yeah, it’s straight out accusing the guy of a crime. Accusing someone of making a fake bomb, intending to cause a bomb scare, terrorism etc offences is a big deal.

        1. Kat says:

          Not to mention the charges for this crime were dropped by Irving police.

          1. emaleroland says:

            So?

          2. Kat says:

            The Irving police admitted there was not enough evidence to charge him with a “hoax bomb.” Yet, many very vocal people here and across the net, including Thomas, are speculating that he did bring the clock to school to be “provocative,” to scare people. If that is true and there was evidence to substantiate that charge, the Irving police would not have dropped the hoax bomb charges. Essentially, they decided that there was no evidence that Ahmed intended to scare people and cause alarm with the clock. The fantastical theories of sinister motivations are growing more detached from reality by the minute, it seems.

          3. Contrarians says:

            I actually wouldn’t characterize the motivations as “sinister”. I believe Ahmed’s father is an unsophisticated bumbling publicity hound, and he bumbled his way into manipulating a bunch of bleeding heart Liberals into making asses of themselves.

          4. Kat says:

            If, as you say, Ahmed’s father was able to successfully manipulate the national media, facebook, Google, MIT, the President – I don’t think “unsophisticated” and “bumbling” are adjectives that aptly describe him. He’s a PR wizard, then! I’m glad to hear you aren’t jumping on the “sinister” bandwagon. I’ve read plenty of posts that say this is was a “dry run”, a practicing for some future terrorist event. The level of paranoia is staggering.

          5. Contrarians says:

            No, he was hoping to create a minor issue, and underestimated the desperate yearning Progressives have for every incident involving a brown person and the authorities to be racist. The paranoia is staggering, and so is the left’s willingness to both pre-judge and leap to conclusions. You’re both equally ignorant. So to either condemn, or award this child is a display of your ignorance. The difference is, that people public servants like Obama, the police and school administrators, and “alleged” journalists like rafe Needleman really have a duty to not do these things, until a complete story emerges. On these counts the aforementioned have failed.

          6. bardgal says:

            Ah, I get it. You’re mad because cool things are happening for Ahmed, and there isn’t enough empathy and humanity in you to be HAPPY for the kid, after he got mistreated by the very people who are supposed to be encouraging him, and looking out for his welfare. Or can we only have WHITE success stories in the US now?

          7. Contrarians says:

            There it is! You lose.

          8. Nur says:

            A box full of wires, circuit boards, and an LED display is not a ‘hoax bomb’ in itself, otherwise your computer can be described as such as well.

            The law states that a ‘hoax bomb’ must be deliberately constructed for the sole purpose of causing alarm, and/or the creator used the creation to threaten harm to someone, or claimed that it is an incendiary or that it would explode.

          9. Contrarians says:

            No, it’s wasn’t a hoax bomb, but it could have been, and that is why Ahmed was detained until it was ascertained it was not. Exactly how it should have been handled regardless of the child’s skin color or religion. Some reports indicate Ahmed was also uncooperative. I don’t know what that means really, but NEITHER DO YOU. I do know it’s grossly insulting to undoubtedly more deserving and talented makers to reward this kid the way he has been, before you know the answer to certain aspects of this case. That’s where some have gone completely off the rails. Including the author of this article,Rafe Needleman.

          10. Nur says:

            …and I could have been the Queen of England.

            How is explaining the definition of a hoax bomb the same as judging the kids motives, or accusing him of something sinister because he claims to have made a clock.

            The only thing sinister, and maybe criminal that happened on this forum was that THOMAS TALBOT had an opinion as to the motives of Ahmed, and in order to justify his opinion, he deliberately, and with malice found an innocent, unrelated person with the same name as Ahmed’s father, sexed up this internet person’s bio to make evil claims about that persons political aspirations and their business, falsely claimed that that innocent person was Ahmed’s father in order to slander the boy and his family.

            That is the issue I am having with THOMAS TALBOT.

          11. bardgal says:

            It COULD have been a TIME MACHINE, but it wasn’t. Stop with the conjecture. It’s pathetic.

        2. emaleroland says:

          You’re not entitled to your opinion.

      3. Ali As says:

        Um, do remember the boy in the balloon? Remember Dad? That;s what I think we have here. And his being an anti Islamaphobia activist is no coincidence. Did you see Dad, all smiles, feeding pizza to the media camped out on his lawn? This entire thing was planned and executed.

      4. Captain America says:

        Yes, a Muslim kid bringing a device to school on 9/11 that resembles a bomb is just an unfortunate coincidence. He had to bring it out at 4-5 classes before any teacher did anything.

    3. David Kendall says:

      I think the controversy has more to do with how the kid was treated. With no real evidence he was handcuffed, questioned without his parents or attorney being present, threatened with prosecution, and suspended from school.

      Let’s assume your hypothesis to be correct and this was some type of premeditated stunt. That still doesn’t justify the response. The teachers and law enforcement still acted in a way that was bullying and inappropriate. They had no way to know they were set up, but it doesn’t matter. What happened to this kid was wrong.

      Even if Ahmed is not a progeny maker genius, he still deserves support from his teachers. A more appropriate response might have been to treat his presentation as the first step in a journey of discovery. Not to call in the police, even if we assume that is what he actually wanted.

      1. Nur says:

        David.
        Thomas is being exposed as a person attempting to imply that Ahmed had an agenda,. The wheels are coming off of his lies, and slander.
        I would just make him address why he would post such crap and not research it fully unless his intention was to slander a 14 year old kid.

        1. emaleroland says:

          When I read about Thomas filing suit against you for libel, I’m going to laugh my ass off.

          1. Nur says:

            In other words, Mr Thomas Talbot will have to admit in court that he was caught finding some random guy on the internet because his last name was Muhammad, creating a false persona about that random person to imply that the name of his company had sinister motives, and his political ambitions were ‘Islamic stunts’, and falsely claiming that this guy he chose at random was the father of a 14 year old kid, in order to slander him and his family.
            Now, had Mr. Talbot kept his opinions to simply that he believe the boy made the clock to invoke a predictable response from the Islamophobes in is community, and it worked, he would have been fine, but to find some random person on the internet, lie about that person in order to slander the kid went too damned far.

          2. Z24Cav says:

            Mr. Talbot is an Arab.

            Are you seriously stupid enough to be claiming that he’s doing this because he’s a racist?

          3. Nur says:

            Arabs can also have an opinion, and try to justify it by finding some random person on the internet, creating a false persona about that person, and use that false persona to slander someone else.
            Not seeing your point in defending what Mr. Talbot did by claiming that Arabs are not capable of doing it.

          4. John J Coltrain says:

            What will he sue for…..Thomas’s upvotes….you’re a tool.

        2. DareToPrepare says:

          The wheels at coming off anytime soon. It seems even the most liberals of liberals are seeing this for what it is. I myself am a tech. and knew the moment I saw this thing, it was just a clock removed from it’s plastic shell and placed in a pencil case that resembles a suitcase. Then, the fact that this kid mounted the LED as though it was a “countdown” timer is strange as well. Most of the newer comments the past few days, all agree, that it looks like a Hollywood “suitcase bomb” prop. This kid’s father is a pro Sharia activist and just so happen to live in a city (Irving) that objected to an islamic tribunal court being built there. Then, in that very same city, the imam for the Irving mosque (that the family probably attends) happens to be one of the self-proclaimed sharia judges from “said” islamic tribunal organization. It is listed on their website. Too many odd things going on here. This is not some random muslim kid…

          1. Nur says:

            So you mean objecting to a ‘sharia court’ being built means that a person is pro sharia law?

          2. Contrarians says:

            No it means that this incident didn’t occur in a vacuum, and more intelligent people than you are able to see context.

          3. Wasim Wesley says:

            Tin foil hats are out. Everything is pre-planned, especially sneaky muslim stuff.

          4. Scisco Mihi says:

            Also, why put the display for ANYTHING in a closed case? Hey look at this great TV I made, the screen is inside a box…real genius.

        3. Z24Cav says:

          Thomas has provided more evidence than anybody about this fraud. Where is YOUR evidence Nur?

          1. Nur says:

            Mr. Talbot slandered a random person he found on the internet by creating a false persona using that persons internet bio, and falsely stated that that person was Ahmed’s father in order to slander Ahmed and his family.

            Not sure if what Mr. Talbot did is fraud.

      2. Ja An says:

        I sure hope the teachers at his next school are much more tolerant of
        bomb-looking devices. After all of this, they damned well *better* be.

        1. Red__Eye says:

          Considering the situation – it would take three simple questions (Ahmed: “What is it?”, “Why did you bring it?”, teacher pointed to in the answer of the second question “Is Ahmed telling the truth?”) to ascertain it’s not a bomb. Now *suspecting* it’s a bomb on itself is a ridiculous notion.

          Because a bomb wouldn’t beep. Because the kid wouldn’t bring it to class, but leave at a spot where it could cause most destruction. Because requiring a mains power cable on a bomb is ridiculous. As is the clock display so big.

          It takes a special mindset – that of a mindless, panicky herd animal eating whatever media feeds them without a shade of criticism – to react like the teachers did. If – what some claim – that was the effect of what the kid’s father wanted – then he got it, proving the panicky stupidity and racism of the school board.

          Once again, it was easily avoided, On the insanely low off-chance this would be really a bomb (made by someone clearly insane, because the situation completely negates possibility of any marginally competent terrorist) this could have been explained quickly and safely, without engaging the police. But of course racism, prejudice and OWN LACK OF TECHNICAL EDUCATION of the teachers caused the overreaction.

          1. Greg Petliski says:

            Easily avoided? If you didnt already know, think you could tell the difference? Ones a clock, ones a real bomb http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NoM_Cz8GkYM/VfyMsgb-S9I/AAAAAAAAFq0/uUfhs97F_5w/s570/Clock%2BBomb.jpg

          2. Red__Eye says:

            Congratulations on being a herd mentality idiot, Greg. Neither of these is a bomb and a quick Google search explains the above is a “demo case” for showcasing electronics. I didn’t need Google to know it though, for the simple reason: a bomb requires only a token amount of electronics, but plenty of explosives. The above doesn’t contain any explosives and a ridiculous amount of electronics. And one thing more: When I said “Bomb doesn’t beep”, that’s the absolute clue that given device isn’t a bomb. Because making a bomb is trivial: you take an alarm clock, just like Ahmed’s, you disconnect the beeper and you connect a primer in its place. You put the primer in the explosives. The end. So if Ahmed’s case was a real bomb, it would go off exactly at the moment when it beeped. Since it beeped instead, that was the clear proof it’s not a bomb.

          3. Greg Petliski says:

            Ok, I was wrong. But Im not an expert on bombs, and neither was the teacher. Better safe than sorry. If the cops are wrong, kid spends a few hours in jail. Big deal. If the cops are right, then people die.

          4. John Daniels says:

            And yet you claimed one was a real bomb. If “better safe than sorry” is your mantra, perhaps it might be “safer” to stop claiming non-bombs are bombs. You’re the perfect example of what is wrong with the conspiracy nuts. You don’t have proof or logic on your side, you just make wild baseless claims (read lies) and try to trick people into believing your fear mongering.

          5. Chucky77 says:

            Do you seriously think that English teacher was capable of going through
            all of that logic after being confronted with this device. Hardly!! What may be
            obvious to me and thee is not obvious to all.

            Shucks, I was taking things apart to see how they worked at age seven.
            This sometimes brought down the wrath of Mom and Dad. But I was always careful to put them back together as I found them. At age 8 I bought my first multimeter, crude by present day standards. That would be in 1941.
            After WWII I bought military surplus stuff, mostly associated with telephones.
            At age 12 I built my first vacuum tube radio, following instructions in
            a hobbyist magazine. At age 13 I built an AM transmitter that really worked.
            I drove my parents whacky by speaking into a telephone and making my voice
            come out of their cherished radio. All in violation of laws, of course.

            My cherished old Ford spark coil was the source of a lot of fun.
            Yes I got stung several times. I learned how to solder. My fingers got blisters.
            I took cells apart to get those carbon electrodes. I out mail holes in old D cells and put vinegar in there in hopes of making them like new.
            I read every book I could find on electricity
            and electronics. The local plumber let me crawl under houses, fetch tools,
            and have the old pieces and parts. I learned how to make siphons.
            Likewise, the town electrician let me follow hi around and so did the telephone technician.

            In the meantime I was into chemistry. My Gilbert chemistry set did have the chemicals I really wanted. A local druggist sold me some really interesting
            stuff. He and my dad were friends, so this was ok. Try doing that now.

            Then came attempts at electroplating at about age 10. Electronics plus
            chemistry. This never worked well because I didn’t understand the
            fundamentals.

            Sure, a lot of us began by taking things apart. But to impress teachers and other kids? Heck no. I just wanted to see what was inside and muse over what
            those mystical parts did.

            Pulling boards out of an old clock and putting them in a metal box with the hot wires on the transformer exposed is not smart.

            Suppose I went to a grocery and bought a jar of peanut butter. Back at home I take the lid off, scoop out the peanut butter with a spoon, and put it in a metal box. Would I take that to school and claim I’d invented peanut butter?

            I seriously wonder whether this boy genius knows the difference between an
            ohm and a capacitor.

          6. Red__Eye says:

            Imagine you took a fancy jar, washed the label off, painted it over, attached a decorative paper-mache label saying “Nutella”, gave it a lacquer finish, then filled it with store-bought Nutella. Then went to the Arts&Crafts teacher to show your fancy jar. And later an English teacher, seeing your jar, would call cops on you for bringing poison to school.

            The project was far from impressive – but neat repackaging of electronics is still a fun project for kids. (BTW, someone posted a photo of a dollar-store clock with the same electronics – everything matched, except the LED display was waaay smaller – it seems Ahmed replaced the display with a big one, occupying the whole front of the box, which makes it an interesting, if easy project). I don’t exactly know what advice he sought, but I clearly know what he should have been given; something he was fully allowed not to know and what the teacher should have suggested: to attach the neutral wire to the metal case (it wasn’t grounded).

            This is not a genius project, and Ahmed is not a genius, but this is definitely a project a kid his age, without special talent or knowledge could have made. Not a passionate tinkerer, just a common kid.

          7. Brandon Rechten says:

            Was anyone claiming he built an ACTUAL bomb? If the teacher had believe it was a real bomb, they would have evacuated the school and called a bomb squad … but that never happened.

            He was arrested for making a “hoax bomb.” It would be the same situation if he’d brought an Airsoft gun to school with the orange tip colored in to look like a real gun (and probably require just as much ingenuity).

        2. Paranormal Skeptic says:

          If you think this looks like a bomb, you’ve never seen a bomb. Explosives require something called “Explosives”, not just wires and circuit boards.

          Or, do you think an open DVD player looks like a bomb too?

      3. Contrarians says:

        The fact that the police overreacted, and the idea that this incident was a contrived one are not mutually exclusive.

      4. Greg Petliski says:

        You make it sound like he was thrown into a cell and set on fire. Oh wait, thats just what Muslims do to gays!

      5. Scisco Mihi says:

        Odumbo supporting Ahmed is a direct condemnation of the school and the police. Anyone who thinks this was racially motivated needs to answer one simple question:

        If John Smith with blond hair and blue eyes brought a device like that unsolicited (so not an assignment, no science fair going on) to the school Obumbo’s kids go to, and then plugged it in and set if off while sitting right next to Mooesha or Sasha (or whatever the fuck Odumbo’s kids are named) what would happen??

        Um, can anyone say secret service take down, and a lot rougher than just being put in cuffs?

        So that would happen if Odumbo’s kids were around, and anyone who thinks it would not is an idiot, yet when the school reacts to protect the safety of the kids there, Odumbo thinks they overreacted? I guess his kids are more important than yours, or mine? Fuck him

        1. David Kendall says:

          You raise an interesting question. It’s too bad your name calling and profanity make it read more like a seventh grade rent and unworthy of serious response.

          1. Scisco Mihi says:

            7th grade rent? What is that? I assume you meant RANT. You’re as dumb as clock-boy. LOL

        2. John Daniels says:

          Odumbo? Really? Are you in elementary school? Shame on you for using such bad words on a family friendly site.

          1. Scisco Mihi says:

            He should be called worse than that. He has showed time and time again he would rather support criminals and lairs than the citizens of this country.

    4. Kat says:

      Thomas you are absolutely incorrect about Ahmed’s father. The person who owns “twin towers transportation” is named Aldean Mohamed. Ahmed’s father’s name is Mohamed Elhassan Mohamed. These are not the same people. Ahmed does have an uncle with the first name of Aldean, but as far as I can see nobody has confirmed that it is the same person who owns this trucking company.

      I was able to verify this with literally two minutes of research, Thomas. you are putting information out there accusing this kid of knowingly creating a hoax. You cannot prove any of this, and I really believe that you are seeing things through the filter of your own politics and distorting them, consciously or unconsciously. Since you are a research scientist at USC, my expectation would be that you would be more cautious and careful to validate information before you spread it. Everything that you have posted on YouTube, including some of your remarks about the construction of the clock, is speculation; yet, you are presenting it as if it is objective truth. Correlation is not causation is the mantra of the scientific minds I know. I am sure that you are better than this, and you are letting your political agenda drive your conclusions. You are encouraging and inspiring some pretty vile and frightening comments. I appeal to your professional integrity as a scientist to stop presenting your speculations and assertions of motivation as fact.

      1. Thomas Talbot says:

        Okay, That’s some good research Kat and a fair point. His father owns a taxi company and this offensively named company is in the name of his Uncle. I’m not sure this really changes anything.
        Thank you for the correction. I’m not afraid to change when presented with contrary evidence.

        1. Kat says:

          Thomas, again inaccurate speculation presented as truth. Please do your due diligence and research. I was just able to find this information about the “twin towers transportation company”. Guess what? They are in an office complex that is called “twin towers” in Texas, according to the blog ibloga.blogspot.com, who writes: “QUALIFICATION: If you enter the address of the Twin Towers Transportation Corporation into Google
          Maps, you will get a photograph from street level of the location.

          It appears the “Transportation Corporation” is in one of two buildings of Executive Suites called “Twin Towers”.

          So they named their company, at least in part, for the buildings in which they are located.”

          There is also a restaurant right by that location as well called “Twin Towers Café”.

          1. Kat says:

            The Twin Towers office Bldg in the Irving area.

        2. Nur says:

          Well, well, well Thomas Talbot…it seems the wheels are coming off of your accusations.

          When will you post an apology to Ahmed, as boldly as you have tried to slander him?

          1. emaleroland says:

            You are such an asshole. How many people slap you on a daily basis? Whatever that number is, it’s too damn low. You are an irritant to no end.

          2. Nur says:

            Mmm…slapping where though. Depends. I am kind of kinky and might like it.

            However, it doesn’t excuse Mr. Thomas Talbot for finding an innocent person on the internet, and creating a story about that person being an ‘Islamic political stuntman’, and claiming that that innocent person he randomly found in the internet to fit the purposeful narrative to slander an unrelated 14 year old boy and his family.

            Rather than defend the lie, encourage Thomas Talbot to tell the truth.

          3. Hagrid says:

            GTFO of here you infusserable SJW. Why the fuck should he apologise to Ahmad the fraud? You choose to deny all evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHk_6Vh4Qeo
            People like you make me sick.

        3. Kat says:

          I hope that you will make these corrections on your YouTube page as well.

          1. emaleroland says:

            Are you on a crusade? What the hell is it to you?

        4. bardgal says:

          There are Twin Towers all over the world, including IRVING (not Irvine, next time don’t be so lazy in faking an SOS filing), and Santa Monica.

    5. Nur says:

      Dear Mr. Talbot.

      It would be nice if you would acknowledge that you made a mistake in your claim that Ahmed Muhammad’s family owns a company called ‘Twin Towers’, and that the unrelated Muhammad named his cab company after the building it is located in.

      That claim you have posted on a right wing website called Brietbart is full of major errors that have been debunked, and you know about now.

      It would be nice if we could say that you made a mistake about this, rather than being malicious.

      Thank you Mr. Talbot.

    6. haqnmaq says:

      Thomas, I would like to correct a few things that you mentioned in your post. First the “Twin Towers Transportation” is registered to a man named Aldean Mohammed. That is not his father. He does apparently(need source) have an uncle named Aldean, but there is no evidence to show that his uncle owns the company. Even if he did own the company, the “Twin Towers Transportation” name is not referring to the “World Trade Center Towers”. It is likely referring to the “Twin Towers” in Dallas Texas. If it was named “World Trade Center Transportation” then we have a different story. Irving, Texas is right next to Dallas,Texas. Do a google search and you can even find other businesses with reference to the “Twin Towers”, like a “Twin Towers” coffee shop. Believe it or not there is not only one set of so called “Twin Towers” in the United States. I live in Peoria, IL, and we also have some “Twin Towers” downtown. Go ahead, google is your friend. Also, naming businesses after popular buildings and landmarks is very common. Now to Ahmed….It is true that he did not “invent” the clock. Did you epect him to design the pcb in CAD, etch the pcb, populate the pcb, then solder everything together and program it? No, of course not. He did “make” that clock though! He repurposed an old clock into something new. This is what being a maker is all about! We have to start somewhere. He is ahead of me at his age! I wouldn’t have been able to take it apart and “successfully” put it into something new at 14. Remember, he is a kid, and to a starting “maker” that is an awesome accomplishment! He even added functionality! It can now be opened and closed like a laptop! That’s awesome in my opinion. I think that some people just lack the “imagination” of a young new maker, and for that i am sorry. “Imagination is more important than knowledge” Albert Einstein

      1. Kat says:

        Fantastic post, thank you!

      2. Jorge says:

        First, your whole post doesn’t prove that the kid was a victim of islamoblahblah. That kid removed a case and put the clock in a more dramatic one. In my opinion he knew what he was doing and he wanted to trigger the arrest in order to push the islamovictimism for political reasons (probably).

        Second, from the point of view of the officers, it is illegal to build something that looks as a bomb, so they detained him in order to clarify if he built an hoax bomb. After that, they released him. I don’t see any trace of islamophobia.

        And third, he was invited to the White House (and has a lot of free shit) because he is a muslim, he wouldn’t have any of that if he was white.

      3. Alan says:

        The existence of twin towers in Dallas does not disprove the idea that his father is a provocateur. And if the kid had programmed an Arduino connected to a display, I would say he built a clock. He did not build a clock; he repackaged one.

        I’ve been reading you for a while. I don’t think I have ever seen a project on your site as simplistic as this one. I view your decision to publish this article to be political, not makerish (for lack of a better term).

        Please, stick to the cool projects. You’re good at that.

      4. Sam Houston says:

        Please let me correct you. The address given for Twin Towers Transportation Corporation is 2625 Castle Street Irving, Texas 75038-5807. That just so happens to be Little Ahmed’s home address.

        Company Name: TWIN TOWERS TRANSPORTATION CORPORATION
        File Number: 0802054544
        Filing State: Texas (TX)
        Filing Status: Active
        Filing Date: August 29, 2014
        Company Age: 1 Year 1 Month
        Registered Agent: Eaz Mohamed
        2625 Castle Street
        Irvine, TX 75038
        Principal Address: 2625 Castle St
        Irving, TX 75038-5807

        The following is also listed at this home address.

        7 Companies Found at this Address
        3G Wireless LLC
        T Wireless LLC
        Afwajj LLC
        Sudanese American Community of North Texas
        Carryex Inc.
        Nova Telecom Inc.
        Sudanese-American Association of North Texas

        13 Officers Found at this Address
        E. Mohamed
        Mohamed Mohamed
        Ali Mohamed
        Eaz Mohemd
        Mohamed Elhassan Mohamad
        Awatif Mohamed
        Aldean Mohamed
        Mohamed Elhassan Mohamead
        Eaz Mohamed
        All Mohamed
        Elhassan Mohamed
        Eltyieb Mohamed
        Emtyieb Mokram

        Now, there is, indeed, a Twin Towers located at 8585 North Stemmons Freeway Dallas, Texas 75247. Yes, it is not far from Irving. While I finally found one single business entry for the business in question at this location, a search of that address did not reveal Twin Towers Transportation, nor any of it’s officers there. Suspicious. Further suspicion arises as one Aldean Mohamed
        is connected to some many businesses and non-profits that it appears there maybe some other sorts of illegal impropriety afoot.
        At a minimum, I see a possible tax evasion scam in play.

        Irving, Texas

        VICE PRESIDENT at
        Alsufi, Inc.

        VICE PRESIDENT at
        4CONSTRUCTION Inc.

        VICE PRESIDENT at
        Dfw Wireless Inc.

        PRESIDENT at
        Alsufi Center Inc.

        Aldean Mohamed

        Irving, Texas

        PRESIDENT at
        Sudanese American Community of North Texas

        Director at
        Carryex Inc.

        Mohamed Aldean

        Dallas, Texas

        Director at
        Addtopup.Com Inc

        So all of this aside, and we will take it from your ascertain of the business name being attached to a building in Irving, Texas, does this guy not see how insensitive for a moslem to name his company Twin Towers anything? For those of us that were lucid enough to witness this attack on our Nation by moslems who wanted to kill as many of innocent Americans as possible, it goes way beyond being insensitive. How well would a White guy owning a restaurant in the St Louis area called Michael Brown’s Chicken Shack or Trayvon’s Skittles Emporium be received?

    7. BillPosters says:

      Well said. Interesting. Glad you posted this. Will be interesting to see where it all goes. Looks like the kid is more into religion than science. He’s already thanked Allah in his tweets for receiving gifts of white house trips and so on.

      1. bardgal says:

        So…. NFL players are more into GOD than football then, by your standards.

    8. Grumpier says:

      Please tell us oh wise one, if the school or police thought this was a bomb, why was the school not evacuated? Why was the supposed bomb transported without protection in a vehicle through the streets? Why did they wait in the school with the “bomb” in the same room as them? Do any of these things happen when a bomb threat is called it? One with any intelligence would think wow if they do it for a call they should do it and MORE for an something PRESENT they think is an actual bomb! But no one did anything of the sort, not even a simple fire alarm was pulled.

      You’re right about one thing, there was an agenda, one the school had and used the police for. As far as I am concerned the police were just placating the school administration who is the REAL culprit and REAL problem in this entire story.

      1. Charles Martel says:

        Then of course you would say they even further over reacted right?

        1. Grumpier says:

          Depends on who you mean by they. The police did their job as they have to do, the school is the one who over reacted by calling the police in the first place. The police, once called are mandated in the steps they must follow basically for safety and to cover their butts.

          His first teacher who examined it knew what it was, all the school had to do was to ASK THAT TEACHER, NOTHING MORE. But just the fact that the school took him and the clock into the office and had it there the entire time, they and the police knew it was not a bomb, and in knowing from the start it is not a bomb, destroys the idea that it is a bomb hoax. That would be required by law the INTENT the kid had, which is hard to say since the first teacher he took it too he knew would know its a clock. A bomb hoax more than likely never came into the kids mind, as that just makes zero sense except the the conspiracy nuts and bigots.. But since the school called in a bomb, the police again were mandated in the steps they took.

          1. Erkko says:

            ” all the school had to do was to ASK THAT TEACHER, NOTHING MORE”

            The second teacher who reported the device was not aware that the first teacher had seen it already, because Ahmed didn’t divulge that information.

            And according to policy, the first teacher should have already report it, because the clock had the distinct appearance of a fake bomb.

            Ahmed simply went around shopping for a reaction, and when the first teacher didn’t react he set the alarm to go off on the second teacher and got what he wanted.

      2. Z24Cav says:

        The school was not evacuated because in Texas it is illegal to have real bombs and “hoax bombs”.

        It’s clear that it wasn’t a real bomb. What is not clear is whether or not this clock invention with exposed wires was intended as a hoax to provoke a response when it was shown to half a dozen teachers.

        1. Grumpier says:

          So they wouldn’t evacuate the school if it were a real bomb because real bombs are illegal??????? Yeah that makes NO SENSE AT ALL.

          It is perfectly clear to anyone with half a brain there was no intent for a hoax bomb.

          SERIOUSLY think about it.. If you were going to make a hoax bomb to take to school, would it make any sense that the first person you show it to is a teacher who would possibly be the ONLY one on school grounds that could absolutely tell what it is as in an engineering teacher? Do you really think people are THAT stupid? If you were trying to make a fake illegal drug to get high on, would the first person you take it to be a pharmacy or chemistry teacher, or a drug dealer or a stupid user that is desperate to get high? He took it first to the one person who WOULD KNOW, and be PROUD of what he had done, and he was. He didn’t take it to the ones who acted like the drug user excited to get high by reporting a muslim kid with a hoax bomb.

          1. Contrarians says:

            Are you really this dense, or are you being purposely obtuse? His post was poorly worded, but it’s gist is correct. A determination had to be made if it was a bomb…they did, no school evacuation, no bomb squad. Then they needed to determine if it was a hoax bomb, less clear, they detained and investigated the suspect. When it was determined to be nothing, they released him. I’m not sure what is difficult to understand here other than why you would think Muslim children are exempt from being the subject of the same sensible precautions anyone else would be?

          2. Grumpier says:

            Since another more educated in the filed teacher had already seen the device, yes I am saying the english teacher overreacted period.

            As far as “Muslim children are exempt from being the subject of the same sensible precautions anyone else would be” show me one non Muslim kid that has gone through this. Please, I’d like to see one, just ONE.

            And of course with no other answer, you also spew personal attacks. For those with no answers, it seems to be what they do.

          3. backwardsprogress says:

            Wrong… it takes one teacher to issue the idea of a complaint in order to get a response. You can’t assume that because 1 teacher saw the clock, all the other teachers knew about it?

            Then you have the issue of no tolerance in schools. I’ve already responded to you but you trying to think logically about a system that shows no common sense day in and day out.

            This isn’t about islamaphobia. This is about the no tolerance policy. If people are upset, that is what they should be upset about.

          4. Grumpier says:

            I guess you missed the part where I said, “all they had to do was to ask the first teacher, the one who WOULD KNOW and DID KNOW.”

            I agree with the no tolerance problem, but this was pointed at a Muslim kid and only BECAUSE he was Muslim. Notice, they only arrested the ONE kid. Why no arrest for the “hoax gun”?

            IMHO its about BOTH, not one or the other.

          5. backwardsprogress says:

            Really? Did you really ask me the above questions? Are you so blinded by your desire to meet some narrative you put absolutely no thought into the stupid responses you provided.

            You must have missed the part where Ahmed was not cooperative with the police officers to even provide such information.

            You must have also missed the part that what he brought to school was not authorized by his engineering teacher and said teacher asked him to put the “clock” away for the rest of the day.

            Muslim had nothing to with it. Dolt.

            Regarding the kid with the hoax gun – 1) he was 7 years old. 2) he was white (not that it matters but clearly to idiots like you, race does matter). 3) the hoax gun was made of an edible poptart. 4) the child was suspended and the suspension is as of 2014? still on his record.

            If everyone would chill out and let cooler heads prevail, then and only then we might get the real details.

          6. Grumpier says:

            I see, cannot answer things, only fling personal attacks. That is usually done by someone who themselves have no idea..

          7. backwardsprogress says:

            I’m sorry, which of your questions did I not answer? Try again.

          8. Erkko says:

            Actually, the first techer should have reported the device according to the school policy, but he didn’t.

            The second teacher was not aware that the first teacher had seen the device, and Ahmed didn’t say anything to indicate so.

            Ahmed clearly went around “shopping” for reaction, and when the first teacher didn’t react, he set the alarm to go off on the second teacher and got caught intentionally. Why else would he have kept the device powered up in class?

          9. Grumpier says:

            And it was OBVIOUSLY made to LOOK LIKE A BOMB, and thus no comparison. Comparing a “clock” strapped to several tubes looking like dynamite and trying to take it onboard a plane instead of a clock made to show his teacher is not a comparison at all.

          10. Tom B says:

            RACIST!

          11. Grumpier says:

            Seeing that I AM white, its kinda hard to call me racist against whites.. DUH…..

          12. Contrarians says:

            And what’s your opinion of the fact that now we know his sister was suspended for phoning in a bomb threat? Hmm?

          13. backwardsprogress says:

            Hey this is the same school system that suspended a 7 year old boy for eating his poptart into the shape of a gun. It’s called no tolerance. You don’t like it, file your complaint with the school administration. No tolerance = no common sense.

          14. ionekoa says:

            Clear to anyone that it wasn’t a hoax bomb? Funny, just on a whim I did a Google image search for DIY clock, and for briefcase bomb. One of those searches had 0 images that looked like an Ahmed “clock” the other search had a 100% rate of looking like this so called clock. Hint: the bombs were a match.

        2. Paranormal Skeptic says:

          It’s illegal to have hoax bombs, like countdown timers?

          Man, I had better toss out my RadioShack 160-in-One kit if I ever move to Texas. It has a countdown timer as a project.

          1. backwardsprogress says:

            Hey this is the same school system that suspended a 7 year old boy for eating his poptart into the shape of a gun. It’s called no tolerance. You don’t like it, file your complaint with the school administration.

          2. Contrarians says:

            not the same school district. No. But your point is still valid.

          3. Contrarians says:

            Yes, it is illegal to make a hoax bomb if you use it to try to scare people. Just like Ahmed’s sister tried to scare people by calling a bomb threat into school 3 years ago.

          4. Paranormal Skeptic says:

            Oh, Ahmed tried to scare people with it? This is news to me. Your source?

            Same with the bomb threat his sister purportedly called in. kthnx.

      3. Scisco Mihi says:

        Odumbo supporting Ahmed is a direct condemnation of the school and the police. Anyone who thinks this was racially motivated needs to answer one simple question:

        If John Smith with blond hair and blue eyes brought a device like that unsolicited (so not an assignment, no science fair going on) to the school Obumbo’s kids go to, and then plugged it in and set if off while sitting right next to Mooesha or Sasha (or whatever the fuck Odumbo’s kids are named) what would happen??

        Um, can anyone say secret service take down, and a lot rougher than just being put in cuffs?

        So that would happen if Odumbo’s kids were around, and anyone who thinks it would not is an idiot, yet when the school reacts to protect the safety of the kids there, Odumbo thinks they overreacted? I guess his kids are more important than yours, or mine? Fuck him

        1. Grumpier says:

          Right, and according to the GOP (Faux Nooze) it was Obama’s fault for the overreaction. So which is it????

          BTW you’re name calling of Obama makes you look like you are younger than the teen in this story. You might want to grow up and be an adult and all, unless you aren’t…..

          1. Scisco Mihi says:

            LOL. Oh boy, I feel so bad now, I am gonna go kill myself. LOL.

    9. bardgal says:

      That has been debunked, even the SOS filing states IRVINE – not IRVING Texas and the address on Castle St is a RESIDENCE. WOW. So many trolls that HATE this kid, are going to great lengths to destroy him. Why?

    10. Jason Wright says:

      Making a “hoax” device implies deliberately misleading people into thinking it IS what it isn’t.
      IE, telling them it’s a bomb. Proudly showing your teacher “look I made a clock” is not a hoax bomb. It’s a kid being proud of what he did.
      If the teacher was suspicious he should have bloody well asked the kid, “Why does it look like a bomb?” and the kid could say “Oh, I didn’t realise, sorry. I will take it away and not bring such things in again” and that would be the end of it.
      Waiting till the kid has left then calling the police on a suspected bomb? Bloody stupid behavior and a serious failing in the education system. They had a chance right at the start to iron out any misconception but instead chose to be paranoid, suspicious and possibly racist. Nice.

    11. David Rosier says:

      This is all Ahmed did to “MAKE” his clock.

      https://youtu.be/kHk_6Vh4Qeo

  10. Geoffrey Ritchey says:

    It’s not about what was made or how it was made or if it’s worthy of anything. It’s about our children and their education and the relationship between the students and their mentors. Do our teachers even know the people they are teaching? Can’t they tell the intentions of their pupils. Are we afraid of our own children?

    1. Nur says:

      My son, when he was 14, would go through alleys and find electronic things like clocks, lamps, vacuum cleaners and so on to fix.

      One day, he had to go to the emergency room because he touched a capacitor of an old microwave oven while taking it apart.

      Does that make us bad parents for letting him drag in stray electronics and try to fix them? Does it make us bad mentors for encouraging that behavior? Does that mean we don’t know my son?

      Am I afraid of my child?

      When he got finished with his hospital stay, he returned to that microwave, lesson learned, and fixed it.

      Should he have stopped tinkering with things like that because ‘it was dangerous’ to explore the world?

      1. CB says:

        Terrorism!

        /s

        Seriously, though, I’m reminded of a certain German political party that decided Albert Einstein wasn’t the right kind of scientist and lost the technology to build the atomic bomb because of it…

        Be careful of microwave tinkering! There are materials in there that are crazy toxic. You should be very proud of your boy.

        1. Nur says:

          What the hell are you saying? Asians cant take apart microwave ovens because they aren’t the ‘right kind’ of people?
          What the fuck is this…are you out of your freeking mind?

          1. emaleroland says:

            Idiot. Get some glasses or put the bottle down. She was being racist FOR Asians, not against them. Go home, you’re drunk.

        2. Nur says:

          opps, I misread your message. I cant delete it and I am sorry.

          1. CB says:

            LOL! No worries. I still like you.

            Asians can certainly make microwaves, I don’t know why they wouldn’t be able to take them apart…

            I think it’s great that you let your son take apart a microwave, but if anyone else is interested, the real hazard is the pink beryllium insulators. They’re fine if you don’t break them, but if you do break them, they’ll smash into a zillion pieces, go into your lungs and cause all kinds of problems.

            I’m assuming that didn’t happen with your son. A little shock was probably good for him. ;)

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zev8Ws4P1Y

          2. emaleroland says:

            At least you’re not making racist statements or anything.

        3. Joe Michael Stonebraker says:

          Are you comparing this kid to Einstein? lol

          1. CB says:

            “Are you comparing this kid to Einstein?”

            Nope!

            I’m comparing the fascists who put him in handcuffs to Nazis.

          2. emaleroland says:

            How many cops have you shot in the past? Just give us a round number.

          3. CB says:

            “How many cops have you shot in the past?”

            0

            Have you been formally diagnosed with a mental disorder?

      2. Thomas says:

        I would say you are responsible for his injury. Then whether or not that makes you bad parents is another matter which not many can be fit to comment on. But you should know that you just doesn’t give a teen any electronics and let him take it apart (like a microwave oven).

        1. Nur says:

          So, if my son gets hit by a car on his bike on the way to school, I am responsible for that too?

          1. Thomas says:

            I know you think you are making an argument now but you aren’t. These are two completely different instances. When your son is out on his bike the only precaution you can take is making certain requirements of him and warn him of dangers. But things might still happen, and that’s the world we live in. But most people know that there is a difference between electronics and electronics and that some are more dangerous than others. I would say it’s your responsibility to read up on microwave ovens before you let him take it apart like that. Lamps and clocks and so on are a different matter.

          2. Nur says:

            So it is my fault for not knowing enough about microwave ovens to let him tinker with it?

            I don’t know much about bikes, or cars either. Should I not let him ride, or drive until I learn everything about bikes and cars?

          3. Thomas says:

            My argument was simply that most people know that microwave ovens contain toxic materials and dangerous things without knowing much about microwave ovens. I am not sure why you are so stuck with your bike/car argument, you don’t need to know much about bikes or cars to know that it’s dangerous to get hit by a car. An argument that would be more similar to this situation would be if your child took home a stray dog and you just assumed that animal wasn’t dangerous. Which I am saying is a dangerous thing to do….

          4. emaleroland says:

            Maybe you should teach him how to make straw man arguments. It seems to be the only thing you’re proficient at.

          5. Contrarians says:

            Yes, it is your fault for not researching microwave ovens before letting him tinker with it. Microwaves are actually extremely dangerous devices.

          6. Nur says:

            Well, you and I both live in different world views. While to you everything is something to fear, and to be suspicious of, my world view is to use your senses to justify your reasoning.

            Now that my son understands not to touch the capacitors without taking precautions…the hard way, we have taught him to gravitate toward people who encourage learning, tinkering, reverse engineering and so on…and together they learn the cautions of enjoying their passion, including proudly sharing their work with each other, their teachers and so on and not about the bigotry, racism, distain and hate,

            I am proud that that 14 year old who went to the emergency room for touching that capacitor is now a person in uniform actively defending the United States.

            So…ya…I take the blame.

          7. Contrarians says:

            Nice, you did a good job overall. I’m just saying letting your child play with a microwave knowingly was dangerous, and as the parent is your responsibility. I thought that’s what this particular thread was discussing? Your exact question was “So it is my fault for not knowing enough about microwave ovens to let him tinker with it?” The answer to that question is yes. No worries, I’ve made mistakes too. Thanks to your son for his service.

          8. Nur says:

            That is what moms do. They teach kids within the perview of their knowledge not to stick fingers in light sockets as ‘bravery’ or having an assault rifle and buckets of ammo to prove manhood, and still let the child plug in their computers, and ‘inventions’ when they are inquisitive, innovative, and seeking knowledge.

      3. Rafe Needleman says:

        When I was 13 or 14, my father asked me to go up on a ladder and cut an electric line to remove an old light fixture. I saw him remove the fuse before he did this. But it was an old house, and the wiring was faulty, and when I cut the line, I got jolted by 120 volts of pure American Freedom. It threw me right off the ladder. Had my father not been standing behind me on the ladder I’m sure I would have cracked my head open. I could have died.

        Was he responsible for this? Damn right he was. Because he was the parent, and I was the child. But we both learned a lot about electricity that day, and it’s served us well ever since.

        Sometimes you have to be responsible for causing your kids to go through hard or dangerous things. Sometimes they get hurt. Sometimes you’ll know they might get hurt beforehand, and sometimes, even when you try incredibly hard to keep them safe, you fail. That does not make you a bad parent. These decisions are not black and white. We ALL learn from mistakes like these.

        1. Nur says:

          One time my brother was fixing a cooler on top of our house. He told me to take out the fuse (then they were these round things you screwed into a socket to complete a circuit) associated with the cooler. I didn’t understand which fuses went where, so I took them all out.

          When my grandmother asked when he was going to be done because the power was out, my brother screamed at me, blaming me, and my mother asked him why he allowed a girl (yes, traditional Chinese family) do men’s work.

          She told me that girls don’t do this kind of work. She told me to give the fuses to my brother, and sit in the house…and that is what I did.
          My brother fell off the roof and on his back. He had been electrocuted. It is good that China uses 220V because the shock knocked him off the roof. My brother had to go to the hospital mostly because his fingers were burned.

          My grandmother, not understanding what fuses do, blamed me again. My grandfather asked what did I do, and I told him I took all of the fuses out because I didn’t understand which one went to the cooler.

          He told her that had we left the fuses out, he wouldn’t have gotten shocked…and from then on, my grandmother let me tinker.

        2. Jim Heller says:

          Your article is absurd. I’m not a “maker” and have never heard the term or let alone about your magazine before but it’s patently (no pun intended) obvious that you of all people should be indignant about this kid’s blatant fraud. Instead, cutting him slack as you have and pretending that he’s hereby earned his heralded reception into the world of creators and inventors, is perverse. You, sir, don’t deserve your own position of leadership here. You should apologize and resign. Don’t worry, maybe Ahmed can find you a position as a publicist at Mohammed Industries.

        3. Melting Granite says:

          “Was he responsible for this? Damn right he was.” I laughed!

  11. Jon Smith says:

    So let’s ignore everything but what he did – placed an old commercial clock in a case. By amping up this kids ego with all the attention and making a celebrity out of literally nothing you’ve pretty much guaranteed the kid will have a difficult time of living up to the hype. With so many talented and ingenious kids doing far more sophisticated projects how do you justify holding this kid up so high for so little? Yes – I am saying he did absolutely nothing of note. A first grader assembling a Lego project shows more creativity. This is a tangible manifestation of reductio ad absurdum.

    1. Stephen says:

      I think it’s important to remember he’s not in the news because his clock won a prize.

      1. Jon Smith says:

        I was staying away from the elephant in the room. All that does is get people arguing about racism and other nonsense they use to beg the question.

    2. emaleroland says:

      He got a participation and fraud trophy.

  12. {dFb}eMac says:

    Thanks you! I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw comments and videos that were arguing against Ahmed’s clock.

  13. Jim says:

    His “project” was actually very dangerous. He removed all the safety coverings from a high voltage alarm clock. It could have easily caught fire or electrocuted someone. The interesting thing is MAKE seems to want to avoid even CONSIDERING that this kid could be an instrument of political operative

    1. djsurrey says:

      It would be safer to learn electronics by starting with a class or club and one could learn more in a given amount of time. Unfortunately too few schools have them. Hopefully this will start to change.
      If he was involved in something nefarious he more likely would have avoided drawing attention to himself. Taking a project to show his teacher is kind of like a kid saying, “look at what I did. What do you think.”

  14. Andy Brice says:

    This is not the first time Make has reported on a home-made device being mistaken for a bomb.

    People need to learn what bombs actually look like. If something does not contain explosives, or even space for explosives, then it’s clearly not a bomb.

    1. emaleroland says:

      because false bottoms are so obvious or something

    2. Melting Granite says:

      Could the explosives been attached to the case behind the display? Huh, what’s that? Oh, they could have? Oh, so it *could* have been a bomb.

  15. xcud says:

    Thank you. That’s absolutely the correct response. Taking something apart then putting back together in such a way that it still works is an exhilarating experience for a young maker-to-be. The value of this sort of project should not be minimized.

    1. emaleroland says:

      He took nothing apart. He took it from one case and put it in another. You’re easily amused.

      1. djsurrey says:

        Amused?
        It seems the kid was already more advanced than some of the adults who become involved. He recognized the fact that he had a clock. There is value in taking things apart and looking in.

        1. emaleroland says:

          He knew it was a clock when he started. He’s a genius for using a screwdriver. #impressive
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=20&v=kHk_6Vh4Qeo

          It took this guy about 30 seconds. Ahmed said it took him 20 minutes.

        2. Melting Granite says:

          djsurrey, you can ask me for a glass of cola, and I can bring you one. I happen to buy the cheapest, most foul tasting cola available. I go into the kitchen and pour your drink. I’m out of your sight for a moment, and I return with your cola. Upon tasting the cola I poured for you, it is so bad, so “off” tasting, you might wonder if I did something to that cola. “There is something wrong with that cola,” you might think, and wonder if something nefarious is afoot.

          It doesn’t make me more “advanced” than you just because I poured the soda.

  16. Tom B says:

    Three points about this topic:
    1. I do believe handcuffing and arresting a 14 year old for this is not ok. There was an assumption that was incorrect and this was an overreaction.
    2. You can thank Obama for his DHS “See Something, Say Something” program where teachers “Saw Something” and “Said Something”. Are people now not supposed to “Say Something” if they “See Something”?!?!?!
    3. Now realistically since this has become such a hot topic, we need to be completely intellectually honest with ourselves. Especially the reporters on this topic! Its fairly clear that Ahmed did not “invent” or “make” this clock as he claims to have, and the propaganda news outlets keep feeding this to the masses. The clock is a commercial, off the shelf clock that he took apart and placed the components inside of a pencil case. See here for the same type of “invention” that was “made” in 20 seconds: http://www.videoup.net/v/el960f295-ahmed-mohammad-s-clock-reproduced-in-twenty-seconds-the-media/

    Now would I criticize Ahmed for not “inventing” this as he has claimed? No, I would support him and probably say something like “thats cool, show me how it works”

    @Rafe Needleman if you really are still confident about Ahmed’s claim that he “invented” or “made” this clock. I would expect you to ask him to detail exactly how he “made” it this weekend when you meet him at the Makers Fair New York and present that as an article that we can all learn from.

    Please detail something more than:
    1. Remove guts from off the shelf clock
    2. Put clock parts inside of pencil case

  17. Tony Goss says:

    You forgot to mention that he refused to give straight answers to the officers and that his father has a history of creating spectacles to promote Islam. No, I won’t drop a link. Look it up for yourselves and use your time for the purpose of discovering facts even though it hinders the self satisfaction you get from reacting to the manufactured social justice outrage of the week.

    1. Nur says:

      Actually, the police claimed that he was not ‘forthcoming about the device’ in his answers. Not sure how much more ‘forthcoming’ you can be about a clock.

      So…do you have anything more ‘forthcoming’ than, it is a clock, it measures time?

      He also asked for his parents, and the police refused to let him get in touch with them.

      1. Tony Goss says:

        Clocks are enclosed in plastic and don’t have wires hanging from them. Homemade bombs do, however, and sometimes require an explanation deeper than “its just a clock ” these days. It sucks, but that’s how it is. This kid was not a victim of any sort of racism no matter how much social justice warriors try to elevate him as one to further the perception that police are out to get minorities. The kids father is in the grievance spectacle industry, so I’m pretty sure folks are getting balloon boyer again. Not that it matters to them, because in return for expressing outrage over this non matter, they get the shallow self satisfaction of proclaiming the awfulness of how minorities constantly catch the wrong end of treatment in America until the next bs social justice outrage comes up next week.

        1. Nur says:

          What other explanation would you have given as a 14 year old boy, handcuffed, surrounded by police officers accusing you of making a bomb about a clock.

          Please narrate that for us.

          Not biting on the ‘father’ thing. You can save the pixels in any further response to me because I will ignore it.

        2. bardgal says:

          I am wearing a clock that’s enclosed in metal and glass. I have one in my garden that is made of iron and cement. The one on my desk has wires and circuit boards inside it. You should learn more about clocks.

  18. Chris says:

    Author, you’ve been duped.

  19. lissack says:

    Finally a sensible voice to be heard above the ugly nonsence on both the left and the right. Thank you

  20. Korpil says:

    Fantastic arguments! Thanks for sharing and explaining.

  21. WinstonSmith2012 says:

    Here’s the exact commercial digital alarm clock (mid 80s Tandy/Radio Shack) he disassembled to move into a small briefcase-looking pencil case to make a portable _AC_ (not battery) powered clock for some strange reason or use. Did anyone bother to ask him about his intended purpose for this clock? If he gave or could give a plausible answer, I’d be less skeptical.:

    Reverse Engineering Ahmed Mohamed’s Clock…

    http://blogs.artvoice.com/techvoice/2015/09/17/reverse-engineering-ahmed-mohameds-clock-and-ourselves/

    Suspicious facts:

    – exterior appearance of the case (miniature briefcase)
    – components simply moved from a known commercial clock, put together in such a way that the main purpose of the clock (showing time) is defeated
    – beeper going off during an unrelated (nontechnical) class
    – advice to not show the clock around given by the 1st teacher he showed it to, referred to as his engineering teacher, disregarded by the boy
    – Ahmed’s statement to the effect that he tied a string on the case lock because the contents “might look suspicious”
    – Refused to give straight answers to school and police

    IMO, an intentional stunt to garner exactly the sort of pathologically PC, typical knee-jerk Internet reaction it did.

    http://i.imgur.com/l35eOVB.jpg

    https://twitter.com/istandwithahmed/status/644179809170509824

    1. djsurrey says:

      Try this. The police that interrogated him let him go. So why are you still skeptical?

      – he found a box that fit

      – a young person with an interest in electronics has to start someplace. Did you read the story you are commenting on or just going to different sites and posting the same thing.

      – beeper going off (it happens with clocks and timers -bombs don’t have beepers)

  22. Troy King says:

    He was trying to be cool by pretending to be smart, which is no crime at 14. It does change the dynamic of the story thou. And makes all the bandwagon jumpers look a little silly.

  23. tinytreasures1 says:

    Thank you, Rafe Needleman! Perfectly put!

  24. Joe Michael Stonebraker says:

    He’s not a “Maker”. He didn’t make anything. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHk_6Vh4Qeo

    1. djsurrey says:

      Apparently you are not a reader. That clip has already been posted and commented on.
      The essential point of the story was that a person has to start someplace.

    2. Nur says:

      Don’t you have a light socket to stick a fork in or something?

  25. John says:

    I am amazed at how idiotic people are. Even educated people can be told a completely BS story and eat it up because it fits their political ideology. First, he did not make anything. It is not difficult to take the case off an old clock and put the internals into another case. You should ask why he chose a case that looks similar to a briefcase and why would he leave wires exposed? Because he wanted to make something that looked like a bomb. Why? Maybe because his father is a political activist and wanted to stir up controversy. Maybe because he thinks like most of the people that support him and wanted to create a situation that fit his belief of racial profiling, or maybe he is just a dumb 14 year old kid like many of us were. I’m sure once the police got involved he realized how stupid is prank was and played the victim even more.

    The most terrifying thing to me is how all of you people who think he is just an innocent kid that made a clock can be so easily fooled and manipulated. Than again look at our last 2 presidents. Stop jumping to conclusions and if you are going to form an opinion without knowing all the facts at least use a little common sense. By the way people like Needlman should stop doubling down on their uninformative based view of a false reality and either shut up or admit they were had, but that would require insightful self reflection and the ability to admit you are wrong.

    1. Jim Franko says:

      A large proportion of the public are just so susceptible to propaganda and manipulation. It’s such a scary thing because it totally undermines democracy. You can convince people to vehemently believe absolutely anything no matter the truth and if you show them evidence that contradicts their opinion it changes absolutely nothing.

      It’s a pretty damning indictment on humanity really, the sheer stupidity of people and the worst thing is you can appear smart superficially and be as duped as anyone.

      1. John says:

        It is very scary. To know that humanity has always been like this and not until the advent of the internet have we been able to see how the truth gets twisted into something far from accurate. To see that history as we know it is probably 20% truth and 80% lies, propaganda, and religious/political bias is a terrifying reality. It makes me wonder if humanity will survive and also how far we could have advanced our species if we valued truth over our false biased views.

    2. Contrarians says:

      What’s even scarier is that the editor-in-chief of Maker magazine uses his job and position to advance his Progressive agenda without identifying himself as such. It’s completely irresponsible and an absolute outrage.

      1. John says:

        Unfortunately this has always been norm. Every person in a position of power, no matter how smaller, becomes corrupt. It is inevitable. Soon there start to believe that there opinionated view is no longer their opinion, but fact. It’s easier to say “this view validates my opinion so it has to be fact”, instead of taking the time to thoroughly investigate a topic and draw the proper conclusion despite your opinion. No one did that here. Everyone heard a catchy headline and jumped on it to push their opinion. What is scary about this one is that people in the scientific community, are breaking away from the very basic proposition that one should not find evidence to support your theory, but form a theory that supports the evidence. It is almost like the societies of the world are going through a devolution.

  26. Christopher Milne says:

    Nice backpedaling attempt, MAKE. Sorry, but I’m not buying it. The way you jumped on the victim bandwagon is an embarrassment to you and a disgrace to the REAL world of makers.

    1. Troy King says:

      so true! MAKE Should be totally against this sort of fakery.

    2. Contrarians says:

      Bingo! At the very least they jumped the shark. You’d think these Progressives would have learned caution by now, but we still have morons walking around chanting another complete fabrication “Hand’s up don’t shoot”. Rafe Needleman allowed his Progressive agenda to override his reason, and frankly, his job description. It’s an embarrassment.

      1. bardgal says:

        uhm…. Progressives don’t post on Breibart. You’re getting lazy at projection.

        1. Contrarians says:

          I’m aware. Progressives don’t venture out of their echo chambers much at all unless it’s en masse to silence an opinion of which they don’t approve. What’s your point exactly?

  27. ComplementaryAngle says:

    Embarrassing. Assuming his family really was proud of that junk he brought to school: are the educators supposed to pretend to be impressed like you pretend you are? At some point a student is really expected to do something before he gets graded. You’ve encouraged losers to go around that process. Panderer.

    1. djsurrey says:

      Wow. Educators have a duty to create an environment conducive to learning. Since we live in a technological society perhaps that should include technology. Electronics is particularly pervasive so perhaps it is important to have educators and programs that foster an understanding of digital electronics.

      1. ComplementaryAngle says:

        Yes, an environment conducive to true learning–not instant gratification and not for essentially plagiarizing someone else’s work. Imagine a kid presenting a complex economics solution that he googled for a minute. Well that’s kind of pointless and could mislead the student into believing they can shortcut past learning the first principles.

        1. djsurrey says:

          So he could use instruction, guidance and encouragement. Not intimidation and handcuffs.

          1. ComplementaryAngle says:

            Partial agreement: his parents should have instructed him to not bring it to school since it was a distraction. His teacher should have also given him that guidance, which was done. When he continued distracting with the device, he got further instruction by school and police. I don’t agree that a student should be immune to intimidation especially when other common sense and cautions had been ignored.

          2. djsurrey says:

            Schools need to be equipped to foster an interest in technology not crush it. They should run an electronics club and provide positive instruction.
            http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-21243825

            check out the video at the link above.
            Also
            http://www.broadcom.com/blog/raspberry-pi/broadcoms-eben-upton-named-hero-of-the-fortune-500-for-raspberry-pi/

          3. ComplementaryAngle says:

            Admirable projects

  28. Troy King says:

    I am not sure what to think about this whole thing. It is plausible that what he actual thought what he made was cool, and that he had no idea it resembled the Hollywood symbol of a bomb. Some 14 year-olds are really that naive. But then its hard to know what he was talking about when he said he had accomplished more difficult builds. Its a little more likely, in my opinion, that he intended his teacher to think he had actually built a clock. Either he was too lazy or un-knowledgeable to build a real clock. Then there is the possibility that he did infact mean to make something provocative, but didn’t really understand the consequences. Or if he is a real genius, he knew exactly what would happen and that he would get all kinds of cool opportunities. But if that was the case, why did he not build a real clock that looked like a bomb, to give the story of his technical prowess more legitimacy. Or he is naive, but someone around him realized the media possibilities. Whatever the case, whether he was aware of it or not, he created a symbolic bomb, and the police were correct in addressing as such.

    1. djsurrey says:

      It was no more the symbol of a bomb in the pencil case than in the original case. It is just electronics either way. If he had filled a bigger box with fireworks he would have something closer to a bomb.

      1. Troy King says:

        A black case with a jumble of exposed wires and a count-down LED is often used to signify a bomb in movies (because you need a wire to cut, and an indication of when it will explode). Of course real bombs don’t look like that, which is why the cops immediately thought they were dealing with a hoax bomb. I don’t know that Ahmed made that connection, but the cops were right to.

        1. djsurrey says:

          A lot of projects contain wires. Those wires were in the original clock. Being untidy does not turn a clock into a bomb. Only hysteria and unfamiliarity with electronics made it look like anything other than a clock.

          1. Troy King says:

            But, intentionally or unintentionally, it invokes the symbol of a bomb. Which is why they thought he had a hoax bomb.

          2. Troy King says:

            The cops didn’t think it looked like a bomb. They thought it looked like something someone would do to make something look like a bomb. I can only imagine its a little confusing to them why someone would mount a clock on the inside of a little black box with wires everywhere and NOT be making a hoax bomb. After awhile the figured out the kid was clueless (or was he?). Good job cops.

          3. djsurrey says:

            That would be just speculation. Unless the kid says look there is a bomb or fills it with something that looks like explosives it is just a clock.

          4. ComplementaryAngle says:

            Well, no, not completely. There’s both a clock and a symbol. The boy didn’t make a clock. He arranged a symbol. Basically he arranged an F and a U together and showed them around. Yes, they are just letters, but also a symbol.

          5. djsurrey says:

            That is your speculation. Fact is the kid was released without charges. The police found no evidence that the kid did anything but bring a clock to school.

          6. MechMan says:

            And there is a metric crap ton of ignorance among many people about bombs. Same with guns. Take a semiautomatic AR-15 out and people think it’s some high-powered machine gun if they don’t know what they are looking at. You do not, as a Muslim person around 9/11, take out something that many might think looks like a bomb.

          7. djsurrey says:

            Funny you should say that because I would say that you don’t single a person out because of their religion.

          8. djsurrey says:

            It is not a hoax bomb unless that was his actual intention. He was not charged even with mischief so apparently there is actually no evidence of a nefarious intention.

          9. ComplementaryAngle says:

            He seems to have been flirting with the gray area. It appears intentional since the packaging would have to have been a deep downgrade from the original packaging. You could give him extreme benefit of the doubt, but sometimes it’s better to acknowledge the stink

          10. djsurrey says:

            Hold on. We are talking 80s technology. It is entirely possible the original case was badly damaged, cracked or any number of things could have made it unusable. Putting it in a new case may well have been a fix.

          11. ComplementaryAngle says:

            Possible…but it still stinks. If by chance he *needed* to fix the badly damaged clock case and was in the middle of the Sahara then that crappy pile might be a short term solution. This was a leisure project though, not one of desperation

          12. djsurrey says:

            He used what he had or could get his hands on. Also, he appears to be interested in the technology not making an artistic expression. Perhaps he likes having the guts of the clock on display.

          13. Troy King says:

            he can’t be especially interested, because he didn’t bother to make a clock. A clock kit is like 4 bucks.

          14. djsurrey says:

            Perhaps he likes to fix things that are on hand. He may have no awareness of kits or where to get them.

          15. ComplementaryAngle says:

            Yes, all that. He probably did like having the guts on display because it makes it cool in an edgy kind of way, however school is not the place for fooling around with distracting devices in the gray area of symbolism. Remember, he’d been advised to not show it around, yet he did and even had the alarm go off. He appears to have been trying too hard to draw attention to a gray or forbidden area, so things got official

          16. djsurrey says:

            That is pure speculation. I consider a clock to be a useful device rather than a symbol. I’d put the innards on display so I could discuss the function of the parts with others. Think of a cutaway view technical diagram. I don’t think Ahmed is an artist expressing himself. From what was said it sounds like he has a knack for fixing things.

          17. ComplementaryAngle says:

            Yes, a clock is a useful device, but he didn’t make a clock–he made a symbol from a clock and a box.
            We could formulate all sorts of cover stories and prop him up as legendary, but we don’t need to. The legend is crumbling.

          18. Jim Heller says:

            You’re pathetic. I’ve read your ridiculous efforts to deny reality and common sense here throughout. The more interesting speculation isn’t about Mohammed but about you – why are you so determined to excuse this little punk who clearly knew what he was doing – after all, as he says, he had been called a bomb-maker before and this time didn’t want to freak anyone out. What a joke!

          19. djsurrey says:

            Did you reply to the person you were intending to Jim?

          20. MechMan says:

            It isn’t hysteria when dealing with Muslims around 9/11. That is unfortunate for the good Muslims, but something that resembles a bomb + Muslim + week of 9/11 = can’t be too cautious.

          21. djsurrey says:

            That sounds like hysteria to me. and it did not resemble a bomb.

          22. MechMan says:

            Seems they deleted my comment, but regardless, I do not see it as hysteria. Not when there are so many Muslims of the radical kind in existence.

      2. ComplementaryAngle says:

        Yes, it was more of a *symbol* of a bomb in the mock briefcase. The original clock housing cleanly displayed the time, the sound, the buttons, and was safe from electrical shorts. The second package (intentionally) sacrificed those important features leaving basically *just* a symbol–the symbol that we know from movies. A symbol that it’s not polished because it isn’t going to last long.

    2. Jim Heller says:

      Don’t forget that he was aware of the fact that he’d been called a terrorist and even bomb-maker at school before. He had that on his mind 1,000 percent

      1. djsurrey says:

        His family says he has a knack for fixing things. You are simply reminding us he had been bullied. Seems like the school sided with the bullies.
        Many people from outside that Texas town stand with Ahmed rather than bullies
        http://twitter.com/IStandWithAhmed/status/646167931517190144/photo/1

  29. Ali As says:

    Wow. It must be nice to be so naive. Or maybe the publicity is making you look the other way but this was a HOAX.

  30. dantonmeh says:

    this kids family is made up of publicity whores his uncle owns a company called twin towers transportation and his father ran for president of sudan while living in texas and now he sent his kid to school with this hollywood style bomb in a brief case looking thing during the week of 9/11 and a lot of you people still think this kid is innocent?

    after showing his engineering teacher the device and was told not to show anyone else because it looks suspicious this kid went to another class and plugged it in to a wall socket and waited for the alarm to go off. when the alarm went off and the teacher asked him what the device was and he didnt answer. the teacher would have assumed this is a bomb prank and told the principal who then called the police. the kid knew it was suspicious he admitted it in the dallas morning news interview and said that was why he used a cable to close it instead of the lock the box already has.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=16&v=3mW4w0Y1OXE

    also all of his inventions that he shows in this are just circut boards and wires hes taken out of their cases.

  31. MechMan says:

    I disagree that pointing out that he did not build a clock is “insidious.” The kid is getting offers from elite entities like M.I.T., NASA, Facebook, Google, etc…along with scholarships, then, his clock is open to discussion. He claims he “made” the clock. Yet all he did was to take the guts out of an existing manufactured clock. So he didn’t do anything requiring any real intelligence.

    Where the argument would be insidious would be if he was just some random kid who said, “Look at my clock,” and some people got overzealous in the analysis. But when he’s being hailed as some genius and prodigy and getting all these offers, that opens his clock up to criticism.

    1. djsurrey says:

      Instead of chucking an old clock from the 80’s he got it working and then placed it in a new case. Reusing something old is good (except the old power supply is lossy rather than energy star — a mentor could point that out).
      It is the news media that made it sound like he did something astounding but they can be like that.